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do doo da, doo doo doo doo da | prev. community and growth @Talus_labs

london Katılım Şubat 2023
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Yoann Pavy
Yoann Pavy@yoannpavy·
still londonmaxxing
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cryon
cryon@cryonct·
@dwr can people contribute? how easy is it to have it working on other chains that are not included yet?
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Dan Romero
Dan Romero@dwr·
MPP myths "MPP only works with Tempo" No. It's payment method agnostic — works with crypto and fiat, any chain. It's already been extended to Bitcoin Lightning; there's a draft extension for Solana. "It costs 1.5% to use" No inherent cost to using MPP. Individual payment methods may charge fees, but that's no different than today. Blockchains have different fees. Fiat methods have different fees. "It's less open" MPP launched with 4 payment methods on Day 1: Tempo (stablecoins), Stripe (various payment methods), Visa (cards broadly), and Lightspark (Bitcoin Lightning). Visa and Lightspark were each able to extend MPP in a matter of days. MPP does not have a complicated foundation structure — it's designed to be simple and extensible by anyone. It's also been submitted to the IETF as a web standard. "It's session based vs. pay-per-request" MPP supports both. The most basic version is pay-per-request. Sessions (payment channels) are useful when you want many small payments in succession at the speed of APIs, not blockchains. Fewer API round trips also means MPP is faster in practice. "MPP is specifically designed for Tempo / Stripe" It's designed to be as simple as possible. No complicated facilitator. No assumptions about specific smart wallet implementations, stablecoins, or chains. It separates secure HTTP communication from the payment rail. That's why Visa and Lightspark could extend it so quickly.
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marilyn100x.eth
marilyn100x.eth@marilyn100x·
X402 VS Stripe MPP: 3 Key diferences Two AI agent payment protocols solving same problem but very different bets. 1. What currencies they support > x402: Stablecoins only, primarily $USDC. Designed for sub-cent crypto micropayments at internet speed. > MPP: stablecoins and fiat. Cards, wallets, BNPL. @Visa extended it for card-based payments. @lightspark extended it for Bitcoin Lightning. 2. How a payment actually works > x402: Agent hits a paywall, server returns 402 with payment details, agent pays in USDC, gets access. Entire flow inside one HTTP request. No human in the loop. > MPP: Agent requests a service, protocol negotiates payment method and amount, settles in stablecoin or fiat depending on what the merchant accepts. Also supports sessions, continuous payments for ongoing agent work, not just one-off transactions. 3. The core philosophical difference > x402 bets that crypto becomes the default payment layer for the open web. The protocol is intentionally simple, open, and chain-agnostic. > MPP bets that whoever controls the existing payment rails wins. Stripe already processed $1.9 trillion in 2025. MPP is an extension of that infrastructure into the agentic economy. 4. What this actually means > x402 is the path where crypto wins by becoming invisible infrastructure. > MPP is the path where traditional finance absorbs crypto and AI agents transact on Stripe's rails like everyone else already does. The protocol that gets default developer adoption defines how the agentic economy moves money.
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Glenn
Glenn@Glenn6·
me: i spent 60 hours on this thread algo: 3 likes
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cryon
cryon@cryonct·
so refreshing to see friends creating more and more video content
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cryptogoblin
cryptogoblin@Crypto_Goblinz·
you’re spending thousands on events and getting zero content out of them. flights. hotels. tickets. booth. all that money. and then you post… a week later. maybe two. story’s dead. momentum’s gone. no one cares anymore. real moments only happen once. miss it and it’s gone forever. that’s why @WeavingWeb3 is now a full stack videography studio. we capture the story while it’s still hot. If you are coming to ETHCC, don’t miss this video👇
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cryon
cryon@cryonct·
1/@mpp and @tempo went live on mainnet. everyone on CT is framing it as x402 vs MPP. they're not competitors. most of the takes i'm seeing are missing the point. i spent the last few days going deep on both protocols. here's what CT is getting right, and what it's getting wrong. 🧵👇
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starfish
starfish@firefincher·
@cryonct all the oompa loompas work at night to generate 12 hours of freeze
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cryon
cryon@cryonct·
why is the fridge so loud at night???
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cryon
cryon@cryonct·
10/ i broke down both protocols side by side. how they work, where they diverge, and what matters depending on what you're building. cryon.work/articles/x402-…
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cryon
cryon@cryonct·
9/ three questions that decide which one you use: do your agents need fiat? MPP has native Stripe support on day one. x402 V2 supports it via facilitators but Stripe's integration is more mature. high-frequency calls to the same service? MPP Sessions are purpose-built for this. x402 V2 has wallet-based sessions too but MPP's escrow contracts and streaming are further along. permissionless web3 ecosystem? x402 is cleaner, simpler, and multi-chain out of the box.
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