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@cryptographicas

Success @avon_xyz , Underwater @10b57e6da0 🦞 half degen, half philosopher. Full time observer of market delusion. DeFi accelerationism d/acc

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cryptographic 🦞@cryptographicas·
I hear you but again I think ETH being totally dismissive is shortsighted, the unfortunate reality is the market doesn’t care about decentralisation etc as much as we wish it did and I’m not even referring to price action etc just to the reality that many people will give up decentralisation etc for other advantages
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Ü J L ゼウス@zeus_one_·
@cryptographicas @FigoETH Like literally every other tradefi incumbent-backed chain, its just short term marketing. Obviously they need to show some form of strength against their redundancy by public decentralized chains.
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f1go.eth@FigoETH·
Reason why corpchains aren't liked by serious people? Because they advertise for being permissionless when they aren't and won't be in the future (company behind Tempo can be sued to censor txns, no incentices to decentralize etc.)
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Dan Robinson@danrobinson

Tempo mainnet is live and permissionless We designed it to be the best blockchain for payments, and every feature serves that goal We're also introducing a new standard for web and agentic payments, the Machine Payments Protocol, which you can use today

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cryptographic 🦞@cryptographicas·
You’re framing this as ideology vs ideology. The harsh reality is the market doesn’t care. Permissionless and censorship resistance etc are features (amazing qualities) but not the only axis of value. Most users optimise for what actually works better speed, cost, reliability, distribution etc. the biggest financial rails aren’t permissionless and yet they dominate globally we even see them coming onchain as permissioned RWA’s or even taking yield bearing stablecoins as an example many of which are also permissioned. Tempo and others aren’t trying to out ETH ETH on ideology they are targeting a different part of the design space where some tradeoffs unlock utility and adoption. the fact it’s not “pure” is exactly why it might win in those verticals, I love eth and I think it will always win on neutrality but others compete on utility and we need to accept that both can exist but pretending only one matters is shortsighted imo.
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f1go.eth@FigoETH·
USP of blockchains is security. Substract that and you only have an aweful and expensive database, worst of all worlds. I don't argue that Tempo can't be a very successful company in the future, likely they will. And extracting much L1 premium in the meantime. But they simply aren't permissionless, censorship resistant and have no more security guarantees than any other corp. They are no L1 and no competition to ETH.
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cryptographic 🦞@cryptographicas·
Yeild is driven by borrow demand which unfortunately isn’t really there in mega yet, there needs to be more apps live and more things for people to do so once those conditions are met I expect to see organic yield. In terms of tweets honestly “good look” “bad look” doesn’t really matter to us, as a lending protocol we are waitng for the above conditions to be met so nothing really to say until those dependencies are live
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cryptographic 🦞@cryptographicas·
Everyone thinks vaults are the future but vaults are just capital aggregation with an added discretion layer. They solve fragmentation by pooling liquidity and moving it between markets and while that works for retail yield and simple strategies It doesn’t replicate how institutional credit actually functions. Wholesale credit is based on isolated facilities with encoded mandates: – specific collateral eligibility – defined LTV’s – liquidation mechanics that reflect the asset’s exit reality – compliance constraints embedded in the agreement A pension mandate doesn’t want exposure to a random crypto asset because a curator rotated capital, the same way an insurance balance sheet cannot rely on governance votes to preserve its risk envelope. In traditional markets, each credit facility stands alone If one is stressed, the others remain untouched, mandates are structural requirements and we’re acutely aware of this @avon_xyz That’s why in our model a strategy is an encoded mandate. Each strategy defines: – its own interest rate curve – its own collateral rules – its own LTV and liquidation logic – its own oracle configuration – its own access/ compliance controls Once deployed the mandate is enforced by protocol logic and doesn’t depend on governance. For example if an EU pension fund needs 70% LTV on investment grade credit and zero exposure to volatile collateral, that mandate can be encoded directly into a strategy. If a Treasury only facility requires 99% LTV and institutional only access, that can be enforced through strategy level access controls. If a permissionless crypto native market wants aggressive parameters and open access, that can exist too and crucially they don’t contaminate each other. Now here’s where it gets interesting. Isolation usually fragments liquidity Avon solves that with an orderbook that coordinates across strategies without blending them. Strategies publish discrete liquidity levels and the orderbook reads them all, sorts by price and constraints, and routes borrower demand to the optimal combination. A borrower can access liquidity from: – a permissioned, mandate encoded institutional strategy – a semi-permissioned RWA facility – a fully permissionless crypto native strategy in a single atomic transaction. The borrower sees one unified market but exposure could be split across isolated facilities. The orderbook doesn’t move capital, It doesn’t rebalance and it doesn’t override mandates. It simply coordinates price discovery and execution across structurally independent credit facilities. That means permissioned and permissionless markets can coexist, compliance enforced strategies can sit next to open markets all while institutional capital does not inherit retail risk and retail capital does not inherit institutional constraints. They all share a coordination layer not exposure. So whilst vaults aggregate capital, Avon aggregates price discovery across encoded mandates. When RWAs evolve from tokenised TVL into functioning credit markets, the limiting factor won’t be how much capital sits in a vault. It will be whether the infrastructure can: – enforce mandates at the protocol layer – prevent systemic contagion – support real time repricing – coordinate deep liquidity without blending risk Thats why we’re building credit microstructure where isolated facilities operate independently but are stitched together through deterministic orderbook coordination. Independent facilities. Mandate specific parameters. Protocol level compliance. Unified access. Avon is wholesale credit infrastructure onchain. Higher.
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cryptographic 🦞@cryptographicas·
yeah that’s fair, I agree that it’s not just a primitive issue and that the underlying assets weren’t designed with onchain leverage / liquidation in mind but that’s kind of the opportunity imo, we don’t have to ask credit funds to change their structure but we can absolutely design microstructure aware credit markets. It’s a tough problem to crack but we’re giving it a shot 💪🏻
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Eric Kang@exk200·
@cryptographicas Morpho was created to be flexible but not like this. On the flip side, existing credit funds weren’t structured w the assumption that tokenized shares would be used for lev looping. It’s like mixing oil & water
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Eric Kang@exk200·
Or maybe an asset with quarterly redemption windows is just a bad collateral asset in defi?
Cain O'Sullivan@cainosullivan

Why Morpho Isn't a Great Fit for RWAs. Morpho is designed around the deployment of immutable markets. A market is defined by its loan token, collateral token, price oracle, and risk parameters; the interest rate model, LTV, and liquidation discount (inferred from the LTV). This is great from a lender's perspective. When you deploy capital to a market, you know exactly what you're lending against and that the terms won't change. But the fundamental problem with this design is that it assumes risk is static, when risk is very much dynamic. What do I mean by this? As a lender, when you deploy capital to a market you have a holistic view of the current world state. You might deploy to a market offering a 91.5% LTV (which infers a 2.62% liquidation discount) where the collateral has plenty of on-chain liquidity available for liquidators. But what happens when that on-chain liquidity starts to disappear? The risk profile of the market has changed, but the parameters haven't. Morpho's solution is to deploy a new market with updated risk parameters that better capture the shift in the external environment. In practice, it's not that simple. If liquidity in the original market is currently being borrowed, borrowers are unlikely to voluntarily migrate their positions to a new market with a lower LTV and a higher liquidation discount. This becomes even more precarious with RWAs, which carry a fundamentally different risk profile from spot tokens. Liquidators go from taking on price risk to taking on duration risk. Let's look at a concrete example. Take the Anemoy Tokenized Apollo Diversified Credit Fund (ACRDX) and assume we deploy a market with an 86.5% LTV, that equates to roughly a 4.22% liquidation discount. ACRDX has quarterly liquidity, so to keep things simple, assume redemptions only occur on the 1st of every quarter. If a position is liquidated on day 1 of a new cycle, the 4.22% discount is probably sufficient to cover the duration risk and opportunity cost of waiting 90 days for the liquidator's redemption to settle. But if the position is liquidated on day 89, the same 4.22% is far more punitive as the liquidator only has to bear one day of duration risk for the same reward. This creates a perverse incentive. Liquidators are encouraged to wait as long as possible before seizing a position, since the longer they delay, the better their risk-adjusted return on the liquidation becomes. By design, this heightens the probability of bad debt accumulating in the market. Risk modelling in a lending market needs to be dynamic. It needs to respond to the specific characteristics of the collateral it's modelling, not treat every asset class as if it carries the same static risk profile. What's good for spot tokens isn't necessarily good for RWA's.

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ivangbi 🦞@ivangbi_·
If you ever find yourself in a situation of hating someone/something persistently - specifically for vague & weak reasons - consider the fact that you could have been smelling your own farts too much. Smile, read something positive, create something. That might help 💕
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cryptographic 🦞@cryptographicas·
I don’t know if this is real or not but would be crazy if pump fun deploys to all these chains
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BRIX@brix_money·
Just met a cute girl at the wedding i'm at. like actually cute. genuinely attractive human being. we're talking. vibes are good. she's laughing at my jokes. i'm being charming. then crypto gets brought up, she says "I think usdc is really useful" my ears PERKED up i played it cool. i said "oh nice, what other stablecoins do you have" she said "i have some USDT" and that's where a normal person would have said "wow that's really cool" and gotten her number but i am not a normal person my brain immediately went into autopilot and i said "what’s your vault strategy?" she looked confused i kept going "do you have a wallet? do you stake? Do you use lending markets? Which ones are your favorite?" she said "i bought USDC on coinbase and sometimes i earn rewards on it" and i said "so you don't actually understand that stablecoins can earn you real yield" the vibe was GONE her friend pulled her away. she didn't look back. i was standing there alone at a wedding holding a drink i wasn't even sipping doing MENTAL MATH on whether someone who's never even left a centralized app can even call themselves a crypto user my friend walked over and said "bro she was into you what happened" i said "she doesn’t even try to optimize the yield on her stables" he said "so?" SO??? i would rather DIE alone than let a “usdc fan” who's never experimented with rate trading on @pendle_fi accessible thanks to @redstone_defi's real time oracle price feeds or traded on @worldmarketsinc in order to obtain beautiful delicious credit on @avon, think we're in the same ecosystem she had a pretty face but a DISGUSTING yield portfolio because there IS no yield portfolio and i simply cannot overlook that could've had her number but at least she knows my stables are bringing me a higher ROI than hers and that they'll be earning even more when brix assets launch and honestly that's worth more BRIX
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cryptographic 🦞@cryptographicas·
@bread_ Massive congrats sir legitimately the best person for the role
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bread.mega@bread_·
Update:  Add "Head of Ecosystem" to the list of roles I've taken on since joining Mega. Very excited for this opportunity. Mainnet is live, the team is growing and roles/needs have changed. We've all been picking up tasks along the way to make sure shit just gets done.  On that journey, as an extension of marketing, I've naturally interfaced with ~all builders in our ecosystem, and because I'm technical have ended up not only serving the marketing needs but helping pick up technical needs (tooling, feedback, troubleshooting, etc). I enjoy doing that more than I enjoy marketing, which was given to me because of my CT presence and natural knack for posting, but I'm not a marketer and asked for a move closer to builders. This is that, and I'm thankful @hotpot_dao and co has trusted me with it. So what will this role even entail? For me, it's: → Keen awareness of who, what and why teams are building on Mega. Inside and out of our Mafia accelerator, which will have its own dedicated owner. → Feedback on what it's like building on Mega so that the experience can be continuously refined for rapid, low-latency implementations  → Bringing ~all EVM primitives to the chain to be properly owned and available to all builders with an emphasis on AI (x402, erc8004, erc8021, etc) → Working with my team to bring our own experiments and experiences to market in true Mega fashion (follow @artemis_onchain, @machiuwuowo) MegaETH is the most scalable, lowest latency blockchain in our industry and uniquely suited to take on the capacity needs of our agentic brethren. It's my ambition to continue to push builders on our chain to leverage agents, collaborate with each other and expand the design surface area of our industry.  Also, relatedly, I've come to terms with "CT Lead" being a gateway role that won't exist standalone long term.  Every team should have someone who is engaged with CT and aware of vibes, public perception, etc, etc but it's not something in and of itself because you need substance to matter in the public square and substance is derived from meaningful project contribution and awareness.  So while you may come in and start as a "CT Lead," the chances are you were scouted because you showed competency in one or several domains, which should directly apply to the business you're being onboarded to and lead to actual internal contributions.  That means you'll likely take on traditional roles while maintaining social presence but now with deeper substance.
bread.mega@bread_

No, but it's a helluva entry. What a "CT Lead" actually is, is a marketing/culture-forward entry into traditional responsibilities. It is not a new role unto itself. Since I joined mega as "CT Lead" (wasn't even a thing a year ago, but is what it was) my role has become: - CMO - BD analyst - Intern - GTM consultant - Product Manager - Project Manager - Therapist - Technical Consultant - Devrel It's an amalgamation of a bunch of roles with high confidence you can handle and bring in culturally-aware insights to a team. You eventually just get practical working experience on the "professional" side of crypto and can push into a vertical that is traditional + resonates with your skillset.

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ivangbi 🦞@ivangbi_·
> I think trying to keep a defi punk type stance is ideologically great but ultimately will fail We are opinionated on which types of protocols & teams we support, and open-source has to be part of the criteria. I am trying to understand though where is the pragmatic edge between the two worlds, to find a middle ground if possible. And that's fine if that's an ideologically wrong approach, because EF is just one of dozen (hundreds or thousands) orgs working on these things. Others will have a commercial approach, a different agenda, a different mandate. Ethereum to me has always been a level playing field that doesn't productize or pick winners itself.
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ivangbi 🦞@ivangbi_·
TLDR: I joined @ethereumfndn as DeFi Coordinator 1] I got introduced to DeFi back in 2019 and stuck to it ever since. As narratives appeared and faded away, my general belief in DeFi stayed. I think today, more than ever, Ethereum is the right place to grow DeFi further. I'd like to help make this vision a reality 🙏
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cryptographic 🦞@cryptographicas·
Ideologically I think open source is cool and the greater good argument applies here but I also see that as deFI professionalises (this will only accelerate and can’t be stopped) it will operate more as a business and therefore nobody will be willing to open source or give away their hard work regardless of how many great arguments are made to the contrary. This is an unfortunate reality we’ve seen this play out before with Uniswap taking open source DeFi code and putting it behind a business license, in short I think trying to keep a defi punk type stance is ideologically great but ultimately will fail
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ivangbi 🦞@ivangbi_·
Finally getting back to this comment (and tagging @hanni_abu @CharlieStLouis who also commented) - great question. First, personal thoughts. You are fully correct that back in the days "we all" accepted the argument that many teams want to have some moat at the start while still going open-source. That makes them sleep better and essentially have some commercial competitive edge. That's the reason for it. Is BUSL the correct license for it? I don't know, I am just a fan of the argument that at the start (unless it's a public good infra) it's natural to want that moat. SO if one agrees with this argument, what's the license that would permit this? Second, indeed the EF agenda is to support protocols that are open-source (not just source-available) because they need to [ass the walkaway test alongside maintaining a few other decentralization traits. Could "a path to full decentralization" be a viable option? I think yes, but we also know how money perverts people in a sense of once your protocol becomes successful, you then can start thinking "why do I need to give it all away... might as well keep it all to myself". There is a similar thing in politics, isn't there? Before being elected many can be so pure but then power perverts people. We'll be discussing this more closely shortly (maybe it's already a clear decision, and I just need to learn more). What's your opinion though? Maybe (1) a moat isn't allowed in this sense (2) a moat must be at a different layer of the stack meaning the codebase can simply be open-source (3) BUSL with a max legally allowed 2 year timeline, or (4)... Speaking of number 2, that can be achieved via a not open-source UI at the start, but then that's still scary as a no-moat in bull markets and isn't a good thing by itself either (?)
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cryptographic 🦞@cryptographicas·
Woke up to explosions this morning, seems to be accelerating
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cryptographic 🦞@cryptographicas·
@elonmusk Need to put this all on blockchain, trustless verification is the answer
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