JellyAr
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A child wouldn't know she could offer her body in lieu of financial or other compensation.
Rudeus understood that she wasn't a human child because he saw her use her Demon Eye just before she offers him her body.
Rudeus was excited because he's a lolicon.
Shes a literal demon lord thats engaged to a 4 armed demon lord gigachad.
She's not a child.
You're retarded.
Stop being retarded.
Evil Cirno@EvilCirno
In this specific example, because I know MT fans like to feel extra smug about it, Rudeus, with his adult mind, "jokingly" solicits sex from someone whom he perceives to be a child. And subsequently get's VERY excited when she starts undressing...
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@Cthulhu_OwO its not about understanding, it's about him doing unsavoury acts and having these acts very slowly reduce over time. if that's satisfying and you enjoy that, all power to you, but most people are put off for a reason. and please learn the concepts you talk about, youre DKing.
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Just because you can't understand Rudeus' writing doesn't mean his redemption isn't there.
I think MT is too subtle for you.
Unironically, you might not be smart enough for it.
This whole conversation has been Dunning-Kruger in action.
Wild.
JellyAr@d3serted
@Cthulhu_OwO my point is that if it really is about redemption, there should be a point in the story you can go "yeah, that's where he changed". the best redemption stories do this: Zuko ATLA, Anakin / Vader Star Wars. But you know what? I had fun in this discussion, I'll give S3 a try :)
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@Cthulhu_OwO last one from me cuz I genuinely got better things to do. I agree that it's subtle, way too subtle to the point where I don't see the satisfaction in staying for his redemption, there's no setup, no payoff. just bc it's subtle doesn't mean people are dumb for not enjoying it.
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@Cthulhu_OwO @BillyonCrack102 your point was he sacrificed his life to do a good thing, forgive me for thinking you are speaking to gollum's sacrifice to destroy the one ring when clearly you just wanted to talk about the small sliver of good in gollum's life, much like rudeus!
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@d3serted @BillyonCrack102 I loke how you completely ignored the "similar themes" part.
SIMILAR.
Not IDENTICAL.
you actually might not be intelligent enough for this conversation.
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@planefag @Cthulhu_OwO a singular punch in which rudeus gives off a smug satisfied look, good punishment!
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@d3serted @Cthulhu_OwO The redhead enforces her boundries by beating the shit out of him. Seems pretty straightforward
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It IS on you, tho.
You're either media illiterate or just stubbornly refuse to see that Rudeus goes thru several growth and redemptive phases throughout seasons 1 and 2 and are hung up on his pre-isekai and parts of his post-rebirth behavior.
Your incorrect interpretation of hos character is incorrect.
And you don't like being told this.
That's why you keep pushing your interpretation as if it's the ONLY POSSIBLE one.
JellyAr@d3serted
@Cthulhu_OwO don't try to flip it on me, I'm always happy to be corrected, but in the case of MT, it's clear rudeus is meant to be a disgusting character at the start, there's no defending this. and you have to accept that a lot of people just aren't willing to sit through that.
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@Cthulhu_OwO my point is that if it really is about redemption, there should be a point in the story you can go "yeah, that's where he changed". the best redemption stories do this: Zuko ATLA, Anakin / Vader Star Wars. But you know what? I had fun in this discussion, I'll give S3 a try :)
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I can only assume you watched the series with a blindfold on and earplugs in.
And then blamed the series for not showing you character development.
And now you're here demanding others show you what you didn't want to see or completely missed in the first place.
Energy vampires.
JellyAr@d3serted
@Cthulhu_OwO @ZelSnea we'll never see eye to eye on this but because he is mentally much more mature than the girls he's around, he should know better than to act in sexual ways towards them. him not doing so and taking advantage (meaning to or not) of his appearance is predatory.
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@Cthulhu_OwO just say you can't give an example and that nothing comes to you, it's fine.
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I can lead you to water, dude, but I can't make you drink it.
Guess you gotta deal with your dehydration on your own, here on out.
JellyAr@d3serted
@Cthulhu_OwO love media illiteracy has become this buzz word used to discredit anyone's opinion on stories. I've asked you for examples and you didn't give any: at what point was rudeus punished for his predatory actions post reincarnation? at what point did he show growth from perversion?
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These people are so completely fried they need the author himself to talk them thru every single bit of the narrative and carefully explaining characters development to them.
I can't anymore, bro.
JellyAr@d3serted
@Cthulhu_OwO love media illiteracy has become this buzz word used to discredit anyone's opinion on stories. I've asked you for examples and you didn't give any: at what point was rudeus punished for his predatory actions post reincarnation? at what point did he show growth from perversion?
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@Cthulhu_OwO your inability to provide any snippets in text or scenes speaks volumes to how his "redemption" isn't shown well, nor should be expected of the viewer.
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Your inability to understand the writing of Mushoku Tensei is not the fault of the author.
The fault lies ENTIRELY with you.
This is a genuine IQ issue and I don't think ANYONE can help you with that.
You've been filtered.
Good luck and Godspeed, Venti pfp.
JellyAr@d3serted
@Cthulhu_OwO I haven't seen a single example or scene of him being a better person what do you mean? you understand that in a story, there needs to be an establishing moment where he clearly shows he isn't that person anymore right?
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@Cthulhu_OwO @ZelSnea we'll never see eye to eye on this but because he is mentally much more mature than the girls he's around, he should know better than to act in sexual ways towards them. him not doing so and taking advantage (meaning to or not) of his appearance is predatory.
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"Rudeus is written to present as a pedophile -"
Didn't read the manga.
Didn't watch the series.
All talking points gotten from TikTok and TwiX.
Opinions: Discarded
Arguments: Dismissed
Get Moo Dengmogged.
JellyAr@d3serted
@Cthulhu_OwO @TheUnrustleable @That_Guy_Xenon because rudeus is written to present that way, and it's re-established a lot during the first 2 seasons. just bc they're fictional doesn't absolve them of labels. I understand irl pdf is a serious issue but his character can still be labelled that when he has predatory traits.
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@Cthulhu_OwO @BillyonCrack102 love LOTR but gollum is probably the worst example you could pick because in the end he still falls into his greed, yes he had some good moments but he was never redeemed.
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Its not reward, he sacrificed himself to try and do one good thing without thought of reward while his life fell apart.
Thats the whole point of that scene.
There was still something fundamentally good in that wretched creature, at the end.
Ever read Lord of the Rings?
The character Gollum?
Similar themes.
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@ZelSnea there's no changing your mind on this, but you realise you're just making excuses for this character's behavior right? it's not established anywhere he reverted to a childish mindset at all, in fact we're shown repeatedly he remembers his past life and has mature thoughts often.
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@d3serted If you havent realized his mental state has reverted to something common for his age and he goes through all the human stages naturally befitting of his age you have not been paying attention. Either way in every instance of sex-he was on the receiving end. Get mad at the girls
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@Cthulhu_OwO @ZelSnea just because he doesn't do that specific action of pinching a girls chest doesn't mean he's grown from his predatory behavior btw
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@Cthulhu_OwO bro this is all a pastime activity for me, it isn't passion. don't dodge the question I'm genuinely curious.
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@d3serted Why are you arguing so passionately when you clearly don't understand the writing?
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You're intentionally ignoring his efforts at redemption in order to be mad on the internet.
JellyAr@d3serted
@Cthulhu_OwO @TheUnrustleable @That_Guy_Xenon of course I do, I'd detest any character that gropes minors, goons to his underaged niece (WN), and acts generally predatory. personally I'm sure I'd enjoy parts of the series but those scenes where I'm reminded of what a PoS he is, is too uncomfortable to keep watching.
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@Cthulhu_OwO I haven't seen a single example or scene of him being a better person what do you mean? you understand that in a story, there needs to be an establishing moment where he clearly shows he isn't that person anymore right?
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@d3serted I've explained several times how hes worked towards redemption.
You just don't like it.
Which is fine.
You either can't understand the writing or want to be mad.
Good luck, kiddo.
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@Cthulhu_OwO I love a good redemption story! tho redemption doesn't really hit as hard when you end up marrying the 3 women you preyed and lusted upon throughout the series.
JellyAr@d3serted
@Cthulhu_OwO love media illiteracy has become this buzz word used to discredit anyone's opinion on stories. I've asked you for examples and you didn't give any: at what point was rudeus punished for his predatory actions post reincarnation? at what point did he show growth from perversion?
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"Rudeus is written as a disgusting character!"
>refuses to acknowledge his development and growth
Is there some reason so many MT haters seem to dislike the concept of redemption?
It's as of they just don't like the way he acts early on and need him to remain unforgivable forever so they have something to complain about.
JellyAr@d3serted
@Cthulhu_OwO Im not invested enough to be mad, again it's just interesting for me personally. and unless it happens in s3 (doubtful cuz I've heard he hasn't really changed), I don't remember when he has ever been punished for his actions post reincarnation, feel free to correct me.
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@Cthulhu_OwO @ZelSnea you forget your mentally stunted point doesn't stand, he would undeniably be more mentally mature than Eris' at that point, even that aside are you still going for the chest if a girl asks you to pinch them?
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@Cthulhu_OwO well yeah, I've said I'm just curious as to how MT fans defend this series lol
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@d3serted Ok, so you're arguing for the sake of it, understood.
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