@MartyGriffinKD Marty, you haven't learned by now that a liberal judge will ALWAYS rule against whatever Trump what's to do... then a circuit court (or SCOTUS) will reverse the ruling?
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@Im_spatial @ronrule I'd like to see it privatized also, but that's immaterial to the discussion
I won't agree to ANY blank checks, for any reason, if you can't define limits on expected participation
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@dalewaltPA @ronrule I want to privatize Social Security but since GWB chickened out on that then this is the only safety net we have got and we have to make sure that the lowest of our society don't die eating cat food just so the wealthy can have a larger boat.
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What Dems aren’t saying is they want to lift the cap, but NOT increase the benefit.
Someone making $184k would pay 12.4% of their income and get ~$4k/mo in retirement.
Someone making $1M would pay 12.4% and ALSO get ~$4k in retirement.
It’s just a sneaky way of raising taxes.
Senator Patty Murray@PattyMurray
If you make under $184k, you pay a 12.4% Social Security tax rate. Everything after that cap is exempt from the tax. So if you make $1 million per year, you pay about 2.2%. And it's 0.002% for billionaires. If we lifted the cap, Social Security could be funded for decades.
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@Im_spatial @ronrule You say "pay their fair share" but can't (won't?) define "fair share"?
I wouldn't call that quibbling
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@dalewaltPA @ronrule Good lord. I answered your question. You want to quibble over specific numerical definitions? Good luck to you.
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@redskin_potato @char5191 @ronrule Nobody has EVER suggested that we simply abolish SS and say the hell with whatever anybody paid in
Nobody
This is a strawman
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@dalewaltPA @char5191 @ronrule Do you honestly believe that old folks who didn't earn much when they were working would be fine if you abolished SS?
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If the average person getting $4k/mo from social security could have put that 12.4% of every paycheck into the S&P instead, they would currently be getting $32k/mo instead of $4k.
And their kids would continue to get that $32k/mo after they died.
Social Security is a scam.
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@redskin_potato @char5191 @ronrule So... 50 years ago
What does that have to do with whether SSI should be abolished? Because SSI was alive and well when people were 'eating dog food'
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@Im_spatial @ronrule Define "rich". (and 'poorest' while you're at it) Those making 10x average income? 20x? A number to be redefined later?
Because this is one of the problems w/'eat the rich'. It seems ppl won't define rich/poor but leave it open-ended
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@dalewaltPA @ronrule Social Security is a safety net for the poorest. It's a crappy one but that's another issue. A safety net is good for all of society. Asking the rich to pay for social security which they don't directly use still benefits them indirectly.
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@Im_spatial @ronrule Upper threshold of SSI? You'll be satisfied, then, and won't ask for an increase in the 'fair share'?
Or 'solid start' and you'll want to increase the 'fair share' at a later point?
Because it sounds like you want a blank check written. "Whatever we need, you have to pay for"
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@dalewaltPA @ronrule Removing the income upper threshold seems like a solid start. That's just my opinion.
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@Im_spatial @ronrule That's an equivocation. You're part of society.
What's YOUR definition of 'fair share'.
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@dalewaltPA @ronrule That's a fair question but an extremely complicated one. It's one that we have to decide as a society don't we.
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@Im_spatial @ronrule 'Fair share'
Please, define 'fair share'. Once and for all. Is 'fair' 40% of their income? 60%? 75%?
What is 'fair share'???
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@ronrule It's not sneaky. It is saying that if you are making $4M a year then being in this country has been great for you and you should be willing to pay your fair share for the greater good. This is what SS needs to survive.
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@ElCid40706802 @redskin_potato @ronrule It's almost like a large swath of politicians would rather citizens be dependent on the government than self-sufficient
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@redskin_potato @dalewaltPA @ronrule They could if they had the 12.4% back, which, in your system could be forced and was proposed but the left stopped it
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@redskin_potato @ronrule regarding the ones who live paycheck to paycheck...
This wouldn't require ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY from their paycheck. Instead of 12.4% being withheld (which they never see), they could immediately invest the money.
So no net loss from their paycheck
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@dalewaltPA @ronrule #3 many, many yes. I'm well aware that many adults are financial children with no impulse control.
But there are people who live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to save.
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@SammiKlaus @ChrisMartzWX Not the WHOLE point, but it was definitely a feature
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@ChrisMartzWX Was the whole point of the lockdowns to make you subserviant and dependent?
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I don’t care about that.
If we burn fuel to derive energy, fine. If we don’t, that’s fine too.
I couldn’t care less what the atmospheric carbon dioxide level is.
If it goes up, oh well. If it goes down, then whatever.
People who want to change energy policy because of their superstitious beliefs about weather are not rational.
Mopa@MOrcmisha
@ChrisMartzWX Isn’t the whole point to stop burning fuel ?
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@redskin_potato @ronrule #1 - it's not 'insurance' but a retirement savings plan
#2 - SSI started after the crash. Over the long run the S&P has ALWAYS increased
#3 - 'can't afford to save'. You mean those who don't have WILLPOWER to save. B/c they could take that 12.4% and 'save' it. But they don't
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@ronrule Number one, it's insurance. My house has never burned down. Is homeowners insurance a scam?
Secondly, you're talking about avg returns. S&P took 30 years to recover from 1929 crash.
Thirdly, SS keeps millions who can't afford to save out of poverty. What's the plan for them?
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I knew a guy when I was a kid these 3 dudes showed up at his house.
They entered his property with clear no trespassing signs.
He got his gun and confronted them out front.
He told them all to get on their knees they did that he called the cops. 👮♂️
One of them got up and he shot them all in their heads even the two on their knees.
He was found not guilty.
2A is powerfully effective.
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@MartyGriffinKD Why haven't you called the Wilkinsburg police and asked them? Isn't that what a reporter is SUPPOSED to do?
Or is 'reporting' now little more than asking provocative questions on X in order to increase traffic?
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He walks onto a porch and steals a expensive bike.
Police know his name.
Why won’t Wilkinsburg Police arrest him?
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@dalewaltPA @knowforurself @colin_dunlap You'll see one day and remember what I said when you're trying to scramble across a border to try to save your family.
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Charles Barkley is a good man.
His impassioned words, however, conflate legal immigrants and illegal aliens. Whether he did it on purpose or not, that’s a reality here.
No, people aren’t “illegal” — but their immigration status sure can be.
Brian Allen@allenanalysis
Charles Barkley on CBS tonight: “The way some of these immigrants are getting treated in our country right now is a travesty and a disgrace. What we’re doing to some of these amazing immigrants is really unfortunate and really sad.” Charles Barkley is not a politician. Not an activist. Not a Democrat. He is one of the most beloved sports figures in American history saying this on national television.
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@asanza2420 @knowforurself @colin_dunlap Well, if that's what 'other nations' want to do... that's their right as a sovereign nation
As it's America's right as a sovereign nation to not allow illegal immigrants
Don't like it? Doesn't matter
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@dalewaltPA @knowforurself @colin_dunlap Wait until you try to leave the US then get back to me when the borders are closed. Other nations don't welcome us anymore.
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@ChrisMartzWX So few people understand the LITERAL definition of LITERAL
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That’s not the literal Statue of Liberty.
It’s a dork that looks like Cher dressed as the statue.
Marcel@illnevercallitx
That's it. That's the best picture from Saturday's No Kings protests in the USA. The literal Statue of Liberty being detained by police. It doesn't get much more poetic than this.
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@asanza2420 @knowforurself @colin_dunlap 1st, they committed a crime by coming here. That's the whole reason for 'illegal' in immigrant
But regardless of the ratio... Ms. Riley and MANY others would still be alive if it weren't for the ILLEGAL immigrants
tl;dr, bite me with your 'sick'
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@dalewaltPA @knowforurself @colin_dunlap I'm sick of that excuse. Americans commit far more crimes than any immigrants here.
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@Dog99C @KBBColorado My son runs a food truck in Colorado... just how do they expect him to provide reusable silverware? From a food truck?
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@KBBColorado Please remember to give credit to the sponsors of legislation like this. They deserve to have their names plastered everywhere. Thank you.
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Welcome to the 2026 edition of the most ridiculous bill run in Colorado…
Meet SB26-146, the NAPKIN BAN. If this passes, your local Taco Bell can be fined up to $1,000 for giving you a napkin with your order if you didn’t request it.
Yes, you read that right.
Oh, and Taco Bell is also banned from giving you hot sauce packets if you didn’t ask or confirm you wanted them. But pho restaurants will get no penalty for giving you hoisin sauce packets.
Arby’s sauce is also ok, but your local coffee shop’s creamer or sweetener will be subject to the fine. The bill sponsors chose to make a list of which condiments can’t be given out without being requested, and they clearly don’t frequent certain types of restaurants.
Oh yes, they’re also banning cup sleeves on hot coffee unless you ask. So feel free to burn your hands in the name of saving the planet. And no straws with your Coke or Frappuccino either - unless you remember to ask.
If Door Dash doesn’t *clearly* communicate what utensils and sauces you want to the restaurant, and the restaurant packs a single unwanted napkin for you, Door Dash AND the restaurant can be fined up to $1,000.
Socialist rule at its finest. #copolitics
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