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darrellmorgan
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darrellmorgan
@darrellm
Apprentice of Jesus, Husband, Father. Lead Pastor CrossWinds Community Church. MDiv, D.Min
Stillwater, MN Katılım Ocak 2009
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@philipnation Romans through November, first of the year some doctrinal sermons (basic beliefs) and then 1 & 2 Corinthians.
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Pastors: What do you have planned for the sermon series on your Preaching Calendar for the rest of 2026? Any plans yet for 2027? (Philip asks as he vicariously lives through your answers because he loves preaching.😎)
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@Pastor_Gabe @Stephen_Newell So your church is no women as pastors/elders, no separate vote from husband. Women in charge of any ministry area?
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@darrellm @Stephen_Newell Depends on how a vote in the church works. In our body, voting reveals the will or approval of the congregation. It does not steer the direction of the church. The overseers do.
For example, the body votes to approve the budget. But the elders in their presence vote to enact it.
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We have baptists who don’t understand congregational polity. If the members don’t have governance of their church, they don’t practice congregational polity. Unless Gabe wants to restrict even membership to men only. I don’t think he does.
Gabriel Hughes@Pastor_Gabe
In a church with a congregational polity, if women serve on committees that hold authority over men, especially if pastors and teachers have to submit to the will of those committees, is that church not functionally egalitarian?
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@Pastor_Gabe @Stephen_Newell So in your questions about women on committee making it functional egalitarian. Is that how your church views it?
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@darrellm @Stephen_Newell Yes, because we have households with single women and widows.
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@darrellm @Stephen_Newell I've been heavily critical of the Christian Nationalist movement (just ask them), and women do vote in our church. We practice single household voting.
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@bartbarber Btw. I’m completely supportive of bfm2000 language around this issue.
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@bartbarber Biblical exegesis and practice isn’t logical? This is the problem: y’all are making a secondary issue a primary issue and it doesn’t make sense. It’s entering the area of legalism we all preach against. (And it won’t stop at pastors)
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So, @JaredCBurt, I know that a lot of this arises out of the controversy du jour, but knowing that you and I are capable of having a healthy conversation, I want to offer a different take on your foundational premise here.
𝙹𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝙲. 𝙱𝚞𝚛𝚝 🌎@JaredCBurt
Women function as elders in thousands of SBC churches. They just aren't called elders. They are called committee members. And they help run the church. +
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@Aelfredopasta @merelyjwright You can’t just make assertions and not defend them. He did and I thought it was interesting.
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@darrellm @merelyjwright Yeah, for sure bro. So is intellectual honesty. Perhaps stop trying to “find inconsistencies” and simply ask if your beliefs glorify God and honor the spirit of the law.
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This is a great comment. I'm thankful that the degree of honest communication is being raised on the left side of the disagreement. Burt is exactly right, although it isn't the positive he appears to think it is.
𝙹𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝙲. 𝙱𝚞𝚛𝚝 🌎@JaredCBurt
Women function as elders in thousands of SBC churches. They just aren't called elders. They are called committee members. And they help run the church. +
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@Aelfredopasta @merelyjwright It really was. I don’t get the logic. Intellectual consistency is important.
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@merelyjwright @darrellm Wow, seems like maybe it wasn’t just an “honest question”
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@JosiahHawthorne It’s because it’s about more than “pastors” if it was just that the bfm2000 would suffice.
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The old Law Amendment only said “affirm, appoint, or employ.”
Mohler’s new proposed amendment has wording so broad, you could conceivably charge a church with breaking “friendly cooperation” with the SBC just for having, say, a Beth Moore book on the tract table.
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@merelyjwright Interesting. And this has to do with the “authority” scripture?
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@darrellm You're right. Household voting would be the best version.
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@HonestYPTweets Ummmmm did you just not have “maga” pastors making everything biblical for their movement ? “ god sent the president so we could have a ballroom.” Don’t be maga and complain people call you maga. Don’t tell people maga is the true bibical way and then complain when they agree
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At this point it seems progressive Christians are just calling anything scriptural MAGA, which is a major category error.
It seems they do this intentionally though, and do with the aim of making historical Christianity untenable.
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@bartbarber The proponents of the amendment won’t stop with “pastors” they will next turn to the other things I mentioned. These past few years have been almost comical in the hyper focus of this issue
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@bartbarber The logic falls apart. Isn’t the primary biblical text about authority? A woman serving as a children’s pastor has more authority than a woman in search committee. I think it’s ok to say you don’t want women pastors but make the argument make sense. Be consistent.
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@BrianDembo @JHGoodman8404 Yes it does. My project was very rigorous. Lots of theological and language work.
Not sure why we can’t be gracious. I would bet only 10 percent of pastors have a terminal degrees of any kind.
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@JHGoodman8404 @darrellm Is a Masters degree required to pursue a DMin? Is there a degree for practitioners beyond a DMin? I don't know about your DMin, but my project paper was thoroughly vetted by a committee. It's not like a DMin comes from a Rolling Stone magazine ad. +
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I have a Doctor of Ministry (Dmin) degree. This allows me to type this: it is not a doctoral level degree and it is not a terminal degree. Moreover anyone who calls themselves "doctor" with a Dmin degree is to be scrutinized heavily.
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@JHGoodman8404 @BrianDembo They are obviously different degrees but so what? a majority of pastors don’t have a Phd. Or even a DMin. If someone is pretending to have what they don’t, that’s a pride issue for sure but they are both “doctoral” degrees.
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@BrianDembo @darrellm So a pastor writes a PhD or ThD thesis. Passes three language competency exams, uses primary material to write a thesis that is reviewed by an academic process and they are equal to a pasto who took twelve courses and did a project about how he implemented a visitation schedule?
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@JHGoodman8404 I don’t see it. Most pastors I know are grinding and doing their best.
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@darrellm Credential inflation among clergy is exhausting.
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