
DirtΞvader
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DirtΞvader
@dirtevader
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#TaxDay update: $EBAY 1099-K fraud & identity theft. 76 reports of stolen IDs used for fraudulent #eBay accounts. 41/76 gave $ amounts - total ~ $750K, highest one reported at $180K.🤯 Just a 💧 in the 🪣 #taxes #infosec #taxtwitter #IRS #ecommerce valueaddedresource.net/ebay-1099-k-ne…

That's crazy but sadly not at all surprising. My $160K fraud experience was triangulation fraud facilitated through eBay in 2020. Fraudsters used what I suspect were hijacked accounts to list items on eBay they didn't really have. When they'd make a sale, they'd go to the direct website of the co I worked for & place an order to ship to their eBay buyer using a stolen credit card for that purchase. We'd ship the order, their eBay buyer would get the item they ordered (often at a price 40-50% off regular retail) & have no idea they were part of fraud. Then days or weeks later, we'd get hit with a chargeback from the real cc holder & end up being out both $ & product. And since we sold on eBay as well, the fraudsters were competing directly against us there at prices we couldn't beat, so it was a double whammy. This fraud is designed so that one part of the triangle doesn't have visibility to the other parts so we spent a month wondering why we were suddenly hammered with chargebacks not knowing about the eBay side of it. We only discovered that because fraudsters ordered the wrong thing once which prompted the eBay buyer to call us since our number was on the packing slip & that's how I started to unravel the whole thing. Crazy thing is eBay has known for years. This Kreb's article is from 2015 & note that image depicting the triangle actually came from an old eBay Enterprise page where they used to warn sellers about it - that page no longer exists & there is no similar one I've found. krebsonsecurity.com/2015/11/how-ca… When I spoke to our category rep (the big boat guy 😂) he candidly admitted to me he was not surprised at $160K loss & he knew of several very large sellers who had left the platform after being targeted by similar fraud but since the stolen cc part doesn't happen on eBay, nothing they could do. I then spoke to eBay's PROACT dept (partnering with retailers offensively against crime and theft) & offered a list of 4,000 tracking numbers they could have used to at least find the accounts & shut them down. Their answer - thanks but we don't need that, we have our own proprietary systems for identifying fraud & we'll look into it. Then they just stopped responding to my emails. Keep in mind at the time I wasn't doing any of what I do now, I was just the person managing an account that paid eBay fees on $2M/yr in sales & they couldn't be bothered to even pretend to care enough to accept a spreadsheet - even if they weren't going to do anything with it. I don't expect perfection & understand fighting this kind of thing is like playing whack a mole. I also understand eBay has to weigh a lot of things in how they handle situations like this - but I was shocked at how little weight they seemed to place on retaining a top seller. That was my first real awkening to how perverse incentives have made eBay "too big to care." Since then as a journalist I've spoken to dozens of sellers who have experienced this same kind of fraud & received the same non-response from eBay, so it's still obv a big problem.



@ValueAddedRS @ryancohen Yep. It’s rampant on eBay. Has been for quite sometime. If it isn’t stolen goods, it’s buyers who will “buy” from you then claim it’s not what was described. eBay sides with the “crooks” and the “not described” every time because they lose $ if not. Sad really

That's crazy but sadly not at all surprising. My $160K fraud experience was triangulation fraud facilitated through eBay in 2020. Fraudsters used what I suspect were hijacked accounts to list items on eBay they didn't really have. When they'd make a sale, they'd go to the direct website of the co I worked for & place an order to ship to their eBay buyer using a stolen credit card for that purchase. We'd ship the order, their eBay buyer would get the item they ordered (often at a price 40-50% off regular retail) & have no idea they were part of fraud. Then days or weeks later, we'd get hit with a chargeback from the real cc holder & end up being out both $ & product. And since we sold on eBay as well, the fraudsters were competing directly against us there at prices we couldn't beat, so it was a double whammy. This fraud is designed so that one part of the triangle doesn't have visibility to the other parts so we spent a month wondering why we were suddenly hammered with chargebacks not knowing about the eBay side of it. We only discovered that because fraudsters ordered the wrong thing once which prompted the eBay buyer to call us since our number was on the packing slip & that's how I started to unravel the whole thing. Crazy thing is eBay has known for years. This Kreb's article is from 2015 & note that image depicting the triangle actually came from an old eBay Enterprise page where they used to warn sellers about it - that page no longer exists & there is no similar one I've found. krebsonsecurity.com/2015/11/how-ca… When I spoke to our category rep (the big boat guy 😂) he candidly admitted to me he was not surprised at $160K loss & he knew of several very large sellers who had left the platform after being targeted by similar fraud but since the stolen cc part doesn't happen on eBay, nothing they could do. I then spoke to eBay's PROACT dept (partnering with retailers offensively against crime and theft) & offered a list of 4,000 tracking numbers they could have used to at least find the accounts & shut them down. Their answer - thanks but we don't need that, we have our own proprietary systems for identifying fraud & we'll look into it. Then they just stopped responding to my emails. Keep in mind at the time I wasn't doing any of what I do now, I was just the person managing an account that paid eBay fees on $2M/yr in sales & they couldn't be bothered to even pretend to care enough to accept a spreadsheet - even if they weren't going to do anything with it. I don't expect perfection & understand fighting this kind of thing is like playing whack a mole. I also understand eBay has to weigh a lot of things in how they handle situations like this - but I was shocked at how little weight they seemed to place on retaining a top seller. That was my first real awkening to how perverse incentives have made eBay "too big to care." Since then as a journalist I've spoken to dozens of sellers who have experienced this same kind of fraud & received the same non-response from eBay, so it's still obv a big problem.



The eBay drama continues this week. GameStop CEO claimed eBay was lighting money on fire by spending $2.5 billion on sales and marketing yet isn't seeing active user growth. ecommercebytes.com/vtuc


















