@Jackalope0620 @FrostBiten @StanDiver I think people are too dense yo realize that LP is already really good on bugs and the change just made MP more redundant
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drifter
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The heavy pen hive guards were a nerf lowkey so this is technically a buff.
HELLDIVERS™ 2@helldivers2
Attention, Helldivers. A hotfix is planned for Wednesday, May 6. This will revert the Hive Guard and fix an issue introduced in Patch 6.2.1 where armor values were incorrectly swapped between the Legs and Claws. Updated Hive Guard stats: Main Body - Armor increased from 1 → 2 - Health increased from 375 → 500 Head - Armor decreased from 4 → 3 Front Legs - Armor increased from 2 → 3 Claws - Armor decreased from 3 → 1 We are reviewing player feedback, including durability damage, so next week we will also address some of these questions and others which our founder has received in various forums. Thank you for the continued support and feedback.
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@YorkXVIII @StanDiver It doesn't because LP weapons were during full damage during the rework
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@driftingin2014 @StanDiver Even if the change "nerf" the capability of medium pen weapons to pierce through the hive guard head it still give you advantage over the light armor parts and not having to deal with that 35% damage penalty when you match the Armor penetration and the armor value
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@FrostBiten @StanDiver Killing bile spewers and hive guards with LP is easy, just inconvenient. If you think that's it's difficult enough to brag about that's a skill issue on your part
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@SulfideCheetah @Lucolaf1 @StanDiver It's 75% not 50, and the medium pen weapons did functionally less damage to hive guards in comparison to light pen primaries (due to their armor value being lowered to 1 and 0)
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Casual reminder if the AP value > AV Value then the impact does 100% of it's base damage. If AP value = AV Value, it's only 50%.
Medium pens are not nor were ever pointless. They do so much more than just penetrate medium armor. Thinking about guns in explicitly their AP value is reductive anyway.
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@AngyVikingr @Lucolaf1 @StanDiver They were made considerably easier to kill, it's a pve gane aiming is not hard and I you think it is that's a you problem. Them being easier to kill wasn't worth nerfing the maxigun/mg43/sentries and other medium pen strategems and weapons for bugs
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@driftingin2014 @Lucolaf1 @StanDiver "Significantly less usecase" and it's just "aiming fractionaly better"
Fucking LMAO 🤣
Sorry you can't just point and click into the enemy mob and actually have to think for a half a second...
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Note that this is what those "tiny" oceans look like. This is still very clearly an ocean, just much easier to cross
A Hiding Person 🏳️⚧️🔞@a_hiding_person
The fact that oceans just straight-up don't exist anymore is a massive loss.
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@GuiltyBench @emmeornot @sekretboi @Eldercraft6 @AlevtineOnIce Wow an interesting experience that I remember fondly that you can no longer experience
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@emmeornot @sekretboi @driftingin2014 @Eldercraft6 @AlevtineOnIce spawn into a new world and get birch logs in an ocean biome
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@Eldercraft6 @AlevtineOnIce As opposed to pressing w to walk through plains biomes for 30 mins
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@driftingin2014 @AlevtineOnIce "it is integral to my enjoyment of the game that I have to stop playing and press w for 35 minutes until so I can resume playing"
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@irfbog @AlevtineOnIce I can just mod the game and have whatever terrain generation I want to as a matter of fact mojang should just stop updating the game at this point and everyone should just create a hyper-specific experience only they like
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@Maksiuko @TooNooooooooo @AlevtineOnIce there's also nothing fascinating about crossing endless plains and forest biomes, oceans acted as barriers between large continents it created an actual sense of scale
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@driftingin2014 @TooNooooooooo @AlevtineOnIce I'm playing minecraft, not sailing, bruh.
If I want to cross current Minecraft Oceans by boat, it will take me approximately 6-9 minutes. Old oceans would take me somewhere between 30 minutes to 1.5 hours.
There is nothing fascinating about spending 30 minutes on boating in MC
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@TooNooooooooo @AlevtineOnIce what a gross misunderstanding of a desire for interactive art to have verisimilitude and scale
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@driftingin2014 @AlevtineOnIce If Minecraft feels like real life to you, therapy.
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@lighthousemulch hive guards are present in every faction (of bugs)
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@driftingin2014 you need different weapons, penetrations, ammo types, for each faction
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@Lucolaf1 @discordspies @StanDiver that's why I agree that I would have liked this new hive guard to have been a different enemy altogether, as some people suggested. Something exclusive to either constellations or preferably a faction
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@driftingin2014 @discordspies @StanDiver But isnt that the fun of the game? to build loadouts around what they give us?
Thats the whole part of the game, there is no META, there is you, your stupid guns, alot of explosives and a will to win the mission.
I found the Hive Guard lackluster, i have problems with another bug
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@Lucolaf1 @discordspies @StanDiver the problem is the brood mothers, they spawn them en mass and then run away to spawn more, they are a pain in the ass and are definitely overtuned
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@driftingin2014 @discordspies @StanDiver i find the Bugs the Alpha Commander spawrns on dif. 10s WAY more annoying and bad balanced then ANY other bug in the game atm..... they are relentless and follow you over the whole map, even when u have stealth armor and they lost vision on you..... Alpha Wariors, the Red fucks..
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@Lucolaf1 @discordspies @StanDiver I just think that the change was unnecessary, it fucked with multiple loadout and strategies for no real reason when the hive guard (imo) has been fine since literally launch
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@driftingin2014 @discordspies @StanDiver yep. i think what you complain about is that Sentrys and weapons with Med pen got less value against that front do to the HiveGuard doing it job as Guarding, but we both agree that with Aiming that is not a problem at all, do to the HP nerf. But they still have there Value there.
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@xakuhh @AlevtineOnIce I wish java had a function to track hours because it's unbelievably funny how wrong you are
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@driftingin2014 @AlevtineOnIce you haven't played more than 15 hours of minecraft in years and it shows. nobody gives a fuck
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@Lucolaf1 @discordspies @StanDiver see this all just circles back to aiming at weak points because the liberator performs better against stalkers and broodmothers (stalkers barely have lvl 2 armor) if you aim
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@driftingin2014 @discordspies @StanDiver If that one bug is the whole reason u take Med pen, what do you do with Spewers, Stalkers and BroodMothers, cause your Math is affecting them aswell and making med pen not worth it in the first place. When i was playing Blitzer i also noticed, you cant kill them from infront now
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@Maksiuko @TooNooooooooo @AlevtineOnIce If you've never sailed you'd never understand the incredible feeling of being out in that vastness. I like large biomes and definable boundaries set by geography
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@driftingin2014 @TooNooooooooo @AlevtineOnIce Who the fuck wants a body of water that just takes much longer to cross?
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@irfbog @AlevtineOnIce yeah I'd much rather walk 10,000 blocks in plains taiga plains desert than have definable oceans and continents
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@driftingin2014 @AlevtineOnIce So your dumbass would rather sit a boat for like an hour and have literally nothing to show for it? Realistically the place in the game with the least amount of depth/ content
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@Lucolaf1 @discordspies @StanDiver I mean comparing the lib pen to the liberator that 25% damage isn't giving you more than the base 85 of the liberator, only on level 2 armor. It's a trade off that isn't as worth it when there are less enemies that the actual lvl3 penetration effects
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@driftingin2014 @discordspies @StanDiver dont you do more direkt dmg after the change? i think you do 100% dmg instead of the 75% when u overpenetrate compared to lightpen wenn its equal to the armor
Isnt that a net benefit?
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