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But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. Galatians 1:8

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If you are following a Pachamama idolatry supporter, a grandma spirit calling High Priest, teaching heresy right and left, you are already in schism. Gal1:8 if we or an angel from heaven preaches contrary to the gospel, let them be accursed
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@LatFilosof Nice. Thanks for the candor. I appreciate it. I´ll check on it when I have more time. Regards.
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Richard of the secular realm
Richard of the secular realm@LatFilosof·
@ektromati Yes, I am actually very unhappy with how I formulated the syllogism. And I will likely rework it today or tomorrow so look out for that. It's messy and unclear, and I also don't talk about it afterwards. It was actually the last thing I added, and arguably it was a mistake.
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Richard of the secular realm@LatFilosof·
The argument from evolutionary suffering. I've talked about this before but I've never actually written something extensive about it. So, here we go: Link: rickardkarlsson.substack.com/publish/post/1…
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Sarah Salviander@sarahsalviander

What are the best arguments for God not existing? I'm not talking about defending a lack of belief by saying "there's no evidence for God," but strong arguments in favor of the statement "God doesn't exist." When I was an atheist, I didn't pursue these arguments, because to me it was just a given that all religion was false. It was the way I was raised, it was the environment I grew up in. Now that I'm on the other side, the vast majority of what I encounter (especially here) is extremely weak tea - lack of evidence, religion is dumb, haha magic sky fairy, which god do you believe in, etc. I'd like examples of strong, intellectual atheism. I'd also genuinely like to know why the vast majority of atheists on social media don't use these strong arguments, but instead rely on weak antagonistic stuff.

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@LatFilosof Fair enough. Then my point is more narrow: (4) my be formulated more correctly as a relative confirmation claim, not as naturalism being more likely simpliciter, to be consistent with your conclusion. I´ll check on the rest , hopefully , on the weekend.
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@LatFilosof The premises support: evolutionary suffering is more expected on naturalism. They do not support: naturalism is therefore more likely true. That stronger conclusion requires weighing all evidence, including evidence independently favoring theism.
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@LatFilosof I like how you write. I wish I could write like that. I’d be happy to point out why the argument doesn’t go through, but I’ll do it when I have more time. In the meantime, I´ll just note that in your formalization, (4) overshoots: as stated, it does not follow from 1, 2, and 3
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@Marcast1000 @dog_domain @analyticatheism For (1) C . The usual suspects. I wasn´t giving an argument, originally. All I was doing was clarifying the Catholic possition. And somebody asked the argument, so i made it explicit. But I´m not defending it, here, becuase it´s a lot of work and I´m fine with disagreeing on 1
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Ghost of the Australian Realists@analyticatheism·
If you believe that Atheism is a rational, reasonable, and respectable position (as many Theistic philosophers do), then philosophical Atheism should not give you any anxiety. If you think Atheism is irrational, then philosophical Atheism should give you intellectual anxiety.
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@groundruled @SpeedWatkins On perfect-being theism, God exists necessarily and is perfectly good/omnipotent in every possible world. So why would those necessary attributes make D true in the actual world, but not in other possible worlds?
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Cameron@groundruled·
@ektromati @SpeedWatkins An all good all powerful God as D describes likely falls into the perfect world issue no matter what theism you follow. A perfect being God would likely pass on morality in some form. If not that would be unlikely to be a perfect being God. Tweet length limits make it hard to say
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@groundruled @SpeedWatkins This is a somewhat related but different matter. I sort of get what you are getting at, but some clarification would help. That said, the argument I asked about is a more general perfect-being theism argument. One can be a perfect-being theist without being a Christian.
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Cameron@groundruled·
@ektromati @SpeedWatkins Short answer, no. Avoidance costs. If a perfectly good God implies the morality in the Bible is a limited/flawed guide of true morality (selecting this known specific world of suffering; is inflicting morally perfect suffering) or that morality is inherently whatever God desires
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Adi el Grande
Adi el Grande@icardo8·
Estas dos tortugas gigantes han estado peleando entre sí durante más de 120 años. Según el zoológico, una tortuga robó la comida de la otra hace 120 años, y desde ese día se convirtieron en enemigas. No ha habido un solo día en que no peleen durante 2–3 minutos😂
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@dog_domain @Marcast1000 @analyticatheism I didn’t say otherwise. That’s why the argument isn’t: T: theism is true. 1. T 2. T -> Aic 3. Aic But in Catholicism there are claims about God’s intentions as Creator with epistemic implications for God’s creatures.
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@SpeedWatkins @AleMartnezR1 You do know that as a matter of historical fact, this was fully expected by the fathers of modern science, who were all theists. It's a confirming prediction, not evidence against theism.
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Benjamin Blake Speed Watkins 🇺🇸🇺🇦🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️@SpeedWatkins·
I would add that certain, mundane facts are much more likely given naturalism than theism: 4. The success of methodological naturalism 5. My mind is here and yours is there 6. The Earth is very old
Real Atheology@RealAtheology

1. The Argument from the Simplicity of Atheism + Failure of Natural Theology (Mackie, Sobel, Oppy, Draper) 2. Arguments from Evil (Rowe, Russell, Draper Tooley, etc) 3. Arguments from Divine Hiddenness (Schellenberg). J.L. Mackie's "The Miracle of Theism" is a great start.

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@SpeedWatkins I´m not following. What do you mean by naturalism, can you clarify that , please?
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Benjamin Blake Speed Watkins 🇺🇸🇺🇦🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️@SpeedWatkins·
@ektromati x.com/speedwatkins/s…
Benjamin Blake Speed Watkins 🇺🇸🇺🇦🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️@SpeedWatkins

@BenKissling Given that life exists, the fact that the Earth is very old was optional given an intelligent designer—the age of the Earth doesn’t constrain the theistic hypothesis, but it was nearly inevitable given mindless chance processes like random mutation and natural selection.

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@inan_janjanzson @elorwelliano That´s selective. Spain committed grave wrongs. In that, it resembled every other major civilization. But Spanish Christians were also the first to put conquest and enslavement on trial institutionally, from within, without external pressure or defeat. That's what sets them apart
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Antony the TURK@inan_janjanzson·
@elorwelliano Koca bir kıtanın %99 unu canice katledip, bütün zenginliklerini çalıp, aç köpek gibi talan eden dedelerine de iki laf et istersen! Köpek deyince aklıma geldi, kıtanın zavallı yerli halklarını köpeklere bile yedirdi atalarınız. Kim daha kötü bir teraziye koy bakalım.
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📢Rebelión en la Granja🚨
📢Rebelión en la Granja🚨@elorwelliano·
🎵🇭🇷 Croacia irrumpe en la final de Eurovisión con un himno histórico que denuncia la ocupación otomana y revive la tradición de tatuajes cristianos para proteger a las jóvenes. La canción para la final interpretada en su idioma materno que no tiene nada de woke denuncia la ocupación turca islámica de sus tierras durante siglos y recuerda la antigua tradición croata de tatuar motivos cristianos en las niñas católicas para evitar que fueran raptadas, convertidas al islam y sometidas a esclavitud sexual. El tema, que incluye versos como “por eso muchos eligieron la tumba, nuestras madres no parieron esclavos”, ha sido aplaudido como un acto de valentía cultural en plena era de corrección política, mientras Turquía ya elevó quejas oficiales. Los vecinos croatas, lejos de autocensurarse, han convertido el escenario europeo en una lección de memoria histórica porque la historia se respeta.
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@SpeedWatkins "2. If they are related, then their similarity would be a matter of course" is to say Pr(S|R) is high. P(S|R)>Pr(S) Says more, namely, that R makes S more expected than than not-R. I´m ok if you are saying that´s what you really wanted to say by 2, from the start.
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This is deeply confused. The fact that they're similar is explained by the supposition they are related. The fact they are similar is a matter of course of they are related; hence, the fact they are similar is a reason to believe they are related.
Divinely Designed@DivinelyDesined

The Theory of Evolution is built on fallacies. Unproven assumptions, circular reasoning, and begging the question. Finding similar things is not evidence of ancestry. Creation expects similarity in design, based on function.

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@SpeedWatkins And the one that your opponents will question and requires propper justification.
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@SpeedWatkins You’ve now added the premise I said was missing. From similarity S + If related R, S is expected, it doesn’t follow that R is supported. It follows only if S is more expected on R than on alternatives. That’s not a quibble; it’s the premise doing the evidential work.
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@SpeedWatkins And then, the necessary work is needed on why it’s surprising or why competitors don’t explain it equally well. That extra work is required for the abductive step to be licit, even on Peirce’s own terms or modern IBE
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