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@Kiserino_DOOT @extremaratio69 Copyrighted distribution isn’t just a “choose another service” system. Criticizing the system is fair, but stealing is still illegal. You aren't getting any service. You're running in and stealing and then running away and wondering why the chef is mad at you.

@elyperish @extremaratio69 I just said it doesn't justify it. We should pay authors, not pirates. I agree with you that no one is entitled to someone's work, but to solve an issue one must look at the root cause. If a restaurant has good food but bad service, do you go back or go somewhere else?

海外のメンタリティーは此処しばらくの議論見ててなんとなくわかった。 儲けのそのほとんどを出資者や配信するプラットフォームの運営が搾取してしまって、クリエイターに届かないと言うのを嫌っていることを。 まぁだからって海賊版利用して著作者に報酬を支払わないことの言い訳にはならんが。

@OldSanity @extremaratio69 If the outcome of your “solution” is that creators don’t get paid and projects get cancelled, that’s not bargaining power, that’s just removing the work entirely and hurting the creators first.

@elyperish @extremaratio69 Yeah. it's called standing up to your bosses and getting fair pay. Did you forget you guys had to make an "American" role at your jobs because you guys were too afraid to tell your own corpo higher ups "no boss. this idea sucks." you really forgot about that didn't you?

@jopesanvieira @RShmuleyGroyper @kyuusyuha_001 You don't understand respecting artist's wishes. You think you are a victim. You think you are entitled to other people's creative work. You think you can force them to obey and conform by stealing from them. That is wrong.

@elyperish @RShmuleyGroyper @kyuusyuha_001 Você não quer entender o ponto de todos o resto do mundo. Mas o Japão é o país que mais acessa o maior site de pirataria de animes do MUNDO.

外国人の海賊版擁護を見て「ここまで遵法精神を持ち合わせていないのか」と驚愕してる

@jopesanvieira @RShmuleyGroyper @kyuusyuha_001 We are not talking about demand. We are talking about theft. People who read it through piracy stole it. "But it got popular" doesn't matter All that matters is the artist's consent. And the artists says no. No means no.

@elyperish @RShmuleyGroyper @kyuusyuha_001 Se o mangá de Frieren não tivesse ficado tão famoso, graças a pirataria, a empresa do meu país que trouxe, adaptou e imprimiu não teria tido este esforço! Uma coisa é uma obra dentro do país de origem. Outra é fora dele. Sem demanda não há investimento!!!

@jopesanvieira @RShmuleyGroyper @kyuusyuha_001 They are telling you no. "But it will be popular" doesn't matter "But I like it" doesn't matter "But it will sell" doesn't matter All that matters is what the artist says. And the artist says no. Consent is important and no means no.

@elyperish @RShmuleyGroyper @kyuusyuha_001 Era melhor obras de seus artistas ficarem na obscuridade? Não foi o artista que escolheu não vender a um país em específico, não é tão simples. As vezes a obra tem que se tornar popular para uma empresa comprar os direitos, traduzir e vender. Entende a incongruência?

@FTNegligence @oshino_sasuke It's not an access problem. It's an entitlement problem. You see something you want in the window and grab at it like a child. You are not entitled to another person's creative output. They owe you nothing. No means no.

@oshino_sasuke See how japanese pirates are bragging about how they are just cheap, but westerners are telling you its an access problem? If someone can buy it but chooses to pirate it, they are scum. We just don't wanna be grouped with them. Western fans buy what they can. We want to support!

日本のオタクが海賊版を嫌う理由って、 メチャクチャ海賊版に苦しめられたクリエイターが多くて、 更に、それ故にクリエイターの次回作が出なくて涙を飲んだ正規ユーザーが多いからって話で、 『日本人はルールや秩序を絶対視するから』 とかではないよな…… （でなきゃ"割れ厨"なんて言葉は無い）

@hexatombee @oshino_sasuke Then you can't access it. You are not entitled to another person's creative output, even if you really really want to watch cartoons. Pure entitlement. Artists owe you nothing.

@oshino_sasuke É ÓBVIO PORQUE É PIRATARIA FEITA POR PESSOAS QUE PODERIAM PAGAR PELA OBRA, MAS NÓS NÃO PODEMOS PAGARRR!!!!!!!!

@jopesanvieira @RShmuleyGroyper @kyuusyuha_001 There is theft. You are stealing an artist's intellectual properly. They said no. You took it anyway. That is stealing. "But it isn't in my country" is not justification, it is entitlement. You are not entitled to an artist's creative output. You are a thief.

@elyperish @RShmuleyGroyper @kyuusyuha_001 Se não vou tentar ganhar dinheiro vendendo a obra de outra pessoa, e essa obra não existe para a compra, não há roubo. Pois não há prejudicados. Se eu comprar um mangá e depois que ler, emprestar a um amigo ou revender é roubo também?

@bivibenergy @RubeeAmadare That is not the artist's fault, and yet that is who you're punishing. You are not entitled to another person's creative output. They owe you nothing. No means no.

@RubeeAmadare Я уже молчу о том, что лицензированная манга зачастую не имеет качественный перевод как у энтузиастов которые переводят бесплатно...

На тему пиратства: я очень люблю японскую культуру с детства, даже будучи 12летней я откладывала с обедов, чтобы купить первую лицензионную мангу в нашей стране, а также было и с лицензионными дисками. ПРОСТО чтобы они у меня были, потому что это то самое настоящее.

@Sapphiretyan @RubeeAmadare That doesn't matter. If you can't afford to not infringe on an artist's rights, then you don't get the content. It is not a human right. It is not air. It is not water. You are not entitled to other people's creative output just because you want to watch cartoons. No means no.

@RubeeAmadare японцы забывают важный аспект, что многие пиратят контент только потому что не могут себе позволить его купить. мой учитель по фотографии говорил, что сначала пиратил фотошоп, а когда появились деньги купил платную версию, потому что пиратсво это больше про нехватку средства вот

@nameresu @RubeeAmadare You are not entitled to "read whatever you want and where you want." It is not a human right you are being denied. It is cartoons and comic books. You have no right to steal from artists just because you want to watch cartoons. No means no.

@RubeeAmadare Да всё просто же. Читаешь что хочешь и где хочешь, а когда кто-то запаривается и издаёт лицензию того что тебе нравится - идёшь и покупаешь, чтобы эти люди и дальше могли делать своё дело + копеечка автору.

@RubeeAmadare What I don't understand is why you think you're entitled to another person's creative output. Cartoons are not a human right. It is not air. It is not water. You will survive without having to infringe on the rights of artists. No means no.

любой товар даже из России лол, потому что к ним доставляют буквально все, хоть и дорого. Мы сейчас сидим под занавесом, да и реально много лицензии появилось в стране меньше 10 лет назад. Не осуждайте то, чего не понимаете, это как ругать слепого, что он не может видеть.

@AOIKEN72 あ、こちらも言われました。 「偉そうな日本人は『汚い外人』のお金なんて欲しくないから、海外には売ってくれないだろう？失礼だから盗む。尊敬してくれないなら、お前らの法律なんて尊重しないんだよ」

@AOIKEN72 FF外失 あっちで言われていたのは、「漫画家にはお金を払いたいけど偉そうなCEOにお金を渡したくないから、企業に反発して盗むんだ。漫画家がお金が欲しいなら、振込先を教えるべきだ」と。 恐ろしい

……もしかして海外の人たち。 日本のクリエイターが全然裕福じゃない事を知らない？ え？小説家や漫画家やイラストレーターがしばしば昼間は会社で仕事して、夜に創作している事を知らない？ 本が売れなかったら創作を続けていけない事を知らない？ え？本当に？ :(ˊ◦ω◦ˋ):

@neoperonista @AOIKEN72 Because you are the ones acting like you're entitled to an artist's content just because you want to read comic books. You're not. No one owes you anything. No means no.

@AOIKEN72 Y por que en vez de quejarse de nosotros no piden que el autor reciba mas parte de la que merece, ya que la historia viene de su parte y mayormente los dibujos tmb...

@rainrrrain @extremaratio69 Hahahahaha Of course I am. I feel so bad for you. You're so close to understanding that you are an objectively terrible person who justifies their entitlement and greed by claiming you're fighting for what's right, because you won't accept the truth. I hope you grow up one day.

@elyperish @extremaratio69 Let me ask you directly: Do you think you are a better person than me, because you honor the publisher's terms?

@rainrrrain @extremaratio69 Artists are paid. The middlemen also receive proof that the artist is profitable, ensuring future employment and more money for the artist when they are hired for additional contracts. It is SO important to support artists through their publisher so they don't lose their jobs.

@elyperish @extremaratio69 But it is not equivalent to paying the artists, because the artist is not getting paid. Everything has already been paid for long before I even have the opportunity to purchase from the overseas publisher. The deal is already done.

@rainrrrain @extremaratio69 Because paying the middleman is the equivalent to paying the artist. Not as much as they deserve, but more than the nothing they get otherwise. Do you not get this?

@elyperish @extremaratio69 I can't pay authors AT ALL, so why should I pay the middlemen who won't pay authors? Do you not get this?

@rainrrrain @extremaratio69 This isn’t about being “better or worse.” It’s about a simple distinction: respecting or rejecting licensing terms doesn’t change what those terms are, or whether bypassing them is what you’re actually doing.

@elyperish @extremaratio69 No, but you are also no better or worse than me if you respect artists. You are also no better or worse than me if you don't respect artists.

@Hatepoem2337 @glen_calz @magozone23 You are not entitled to another person's creative output. "I can't buy it" doesn't matter "But I wanna watch cartoons" doesn't matter They said no. Go do something else. You will not die from lack of Comic books. Video games are not a human right. No means no.

@glen_calz @magozone23 I don't have an option to purchase legally. All japanese media I ever consumed was pirated. It is what it is.

あー、腑に落ちましたわ 魔族的な価値観ですのねあいつら