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Outis I am called by mother, father, and by all my comrades.
Katılım Ağustos 2021
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@blackphilled In general, people not knowing English is a huge problem online and barely passable LLM translations are not helping the situation at all.
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@hachiiiiikawa @Flamenami2 Remember, words on the net are cheap, if that was true, I think many Japanese people I argued with in the past 2 days probably have a very hard time in their home country. After all, you can't just scream "rapist" at people in the street, can you? In Europe you shouldn't do that
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@hachiiiiikawa @Flamenami2 I am talking about people. Corporations are not people, so they are exempt.
I think you are overestimating Japanese society in terms of difficulty. To illustrate: Do you rally think you could have a conversation like this in Japan? Nobody expects anything like that from you, no?
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@isyu13 @itchie_tatsumi I answered this before, but terms of service are not legally binding. Please look up "The Crew", this is the key example for this whole problem.
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@rainrrrain @itchie_tatsumi 利用規約は読んでないの?
あそこに全部事細かな商売の形態は書いてるし同意書としてクリックしてから遊ぶものでしょ?
東アジアのユーザーは大抵理解してソーシャルゲームをプレイしてるよ?
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「オンラインゲームがサービス終了するなら、サーバーも公開して有志に任せればよいのではないか」という意見を、国外の方から頂きました。遊べなくなった作品を少しでも残してほしい、という気持ちはとても自然だと思います。
ただ、ゲーム会社側の事情はもう少し複雑です。サーバー側にはゲームを動かす処理だけでなく、運用の知見、不正対策、認証まわりのロジック、監視の仕組みなども含まれます。さらに、外部ミドルウェアや契約上、そのまま公開できない要素が入っていることもあります。
また、そこで使われていたアイデアやシステムが、他の現役タイトルや今後の開発につながっていることもあります。終了した作品向けの実装であっても、会社にとっては大切な資産です。
そのため、終わる作品だからそのまま出せる、とはなりにくいです。残してほしいという利用者の思いも自然ですが、公開に慎重になる企業判断もご理解願えたらと思います。どちらが良い悪いというより、立場によって見え方が変わる話だと思います。
#オンラインゲーム #エンジニア
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@isyu13 @itchie_tatsumi I think arcade games are perfectly fine, because they are clear about what you get. hey don't try to deceive the consumer into thinking they're buying a game, when they're really just renting for an unknown length of time.
The problem here is the fraud, in my opinion.
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@rainrrrain @itchie_tatsumi 別に最初期にインベーダーゲームをゲームセンターで毎回お金を払って1プレイの体験として買ってた時と変わらないよ
遊ぶ事がゴールだしそこに期限や制約があろうがお金を払う価値のある面白い時間だと思えるなら何の問題もない
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@elyperish @extremaratio69 But it is not equivalent to paying the artists, because the artist is not getting paid.
Everything has already been paid for long before I even have the opportunity to purchase from the overseas publisher.
The deal is already done.
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@rainrrrain @extremaratio69 Because paying the middleman is the equivalent to paying the artist.
Not as much as they deserve, but more than the nothing they get otherwise.
Do you not get this?
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海外のメンタリティーは此処しばらくの議論見ててなんとなくわかった。
儲けのそのほとんどを出資者や配信するプラットフォームの運営が搾取してしまって、クリエイターに届かないと言うのを嫌っていることを。
まぁだからって海賊版利用して著作者に報酬を支払わないことの言い訳にはならんが。
RedMoonReincarnation@RedMoonRebirth
@sow_LIBRA11 I think many of us know that most mangaka, animators, and game developers are not rich. But the executives at Sony and Kadokawa (who are wealthy) are not paying them higher salaries regardless of how many copies are sold or how many times it's viewed on legal streaming services
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@elyperish @extremaratio69 Let me ask you directly:
Do you think you are a better person than me, because you honor the publisher's terms?
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@rainrrrain @extremaratio69 This isn’t about being “better or worse.”
It’s about a simple distinction: respecting or rejecting licensing terms doesn’t change what those terms are, or whether bypassing them is what you’re actually doing.
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@elyperish @extremaratio69 I can't pay authors AT ALL, so why should I pay the middlemen who won't pay authors?
Do you not get this?
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@rainrrrain @extremaratio69 None of those issues turn bypassing licenses into something neutral, they just explain why the system is debated in the first place. Intent doesn’t change that distinction. You can't pay authors directly, so you just don't pay them at all? That helps no one but you.
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@elyperish @extremaratio69 No, but you are also no better or worse than me if you respect artists. You are also no better or worse than me if you don't respect artists.
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@rainrrrain @extremaratio69 That doesn’t automatically make it neutral or justified.
Legality, personal choice, and ethical justification are separate questions you’re only answering one of them.
You are not better than people who respect artists just because you're proud of being a thief.
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@elyperish @extremaratio69 You caught me, I am thief. Oh no! I guess I am a bad person.
What now?
Your moral judgment means nothing to me.
We were only having conversation to teach you about the issues with overseas licensing and distribution, to explain why people would like to pay authors directly.
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@rainrrrain @extremaratio69 “I don’t care” is a position, but it isn’t an argument.
You can choose to ignore consequences, but that doesn’t make them disappear or turn bypassing licensing into something neutral. It explains why you're a thief, but does not change that you're a thief.
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@elyperish @extremaratio69 Yes, but I don't care what I am allowed to do or not and for your information, it is perfectly legal to do this sort of thing here.
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@rainrrrain @extremaratio69 Respecting Miyazaki’s view is fine, but individual creator frustration doesn’t override licensing terms or copyright law.
What a creator feels about distribution is separate from what users are legally or contractually allowed to do.
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@elyperish @extremaratio69 Well, I can't keep being polite if you keep throwing insults at me.
They are separate claims. On the claim that these companies are bad, I think we now agree on.
On the claim whether it's fine or not, you know my position, it's "I don't care", which is something you cannot argue.
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@rainrrrain @extremaratio69 Ah yes, perfectly polite and generous.
I’m not saying “everything is fine.”
I’m saying even if you think licensing companies are bad, that doesn’t automatically make bypassing licenses or taking content without permission neutral or justified. Those are separate claims.
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@elyperish @extremaratio69 What I think is irrelevant in this case. You know who was very upset about this whole situation?
Miyazaki himself. And I think his opinion matters a little more than mine (or yours) here.
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@rainrrrain @extremaratio69 Whether you think a version is good or bad is irrelevant to licensing.
Disliking a release doesn’t make it unlicensed or free to bypass, it just means you don’t like the available option.
"Me me me, I wanna watch cartoons!"
It is not about you.
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@elyperish @Knightw0lf_ @extremaratio69 We don't live in a world where that happens. You might and I am happy for you, but the rest of the world is not so fortunate.
So we just don't care.
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@Knightw0lf_ @rainrrrain @extremaratio69 If a company breaks laws, that should be handled separately through legal or regulatory systems.
It still doesn’t make individual infringement or bypassing licenses “balanced” or justified two wrongs don’t cancel each other out.
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@elyperish @extremaratio69 "Licensing companies bad" is what I have been trying to get into your head the entire fucking time and here you are telling me "bro this is perfectly ok".
Are you retarded?
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@elyperish @extremaratio69 You expect me to pay money for that shit? Are you serious? Call me a thief all you want, but telling me to pay money for that stuff is a real insult.
And your beloved creators agree with me on that one.
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@elyperish @extremaratio69 The analysis was necessary, because claiming that I don't know how companies work and how they are very important.
What I needed to clarify to you is that companies you talk about and the companies I talk about have completely different business models and business practices.
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@rainrrrain @extremaratio69 You can explain a system while still using it to justify your choice, that’s the distinction.
If your argument is only “I just want to watch cartoons,” then the licensing analysis isn’t needed for your position. Once it’s used to defend bypassing it, it stops being neutral.
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@elyperish @extremaratio69 You can find out if my claims are correct, just go do some research into publishing of Japanese media in the west. I recommend you start with "Warriors of the Wind" or "Robotech".
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@rainrrrain @extremaratio69 You don’t have to justify it to me.
But if you’re making claims about licensing, distribution, and rights, then those claims are still either correct or incorrect, regardless of intent or who the audience is.
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