@holysmoke @jdflynn Marriages can be invalidated by law, as can confessions, as they are both juridical acts. Other sacraments can’t be.
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Felix Romanus
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What if Pope Leo were to declare that the SSPX episcopal ordinations are invalid as well as illicit? @jdflynn thinks canon law would allow him to do so. Is he right? pillarcatholic.com/p/st-philip-th…
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The two greatest socialists of all time
плесень-чан@Plee_chan
Name one successful socialist country. I'll wait
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My only real confusion with the encyclical thus far is the just war part, because he says it is outdated but also that the concept of self-defense in such contexts is not but that's just the just war theory.
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@DDFStrand What about the series of court judgements in the 19th century which enforced liberal theology? It was those things which pushed Manning, among others, out of the CofE.
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This is the historically accurate take. Those who obsess over establishment have little real knowledge of how state churches have become theologically liberal. Rarely does it come from outside the church.
Miles Smith IV@IVMiles
The hard truth is that it was liberal churchmen, and not the monarchs themselves, that led to the theological downfall of the Church of England. Clericalism is a more substantive root of liberalism than establishmentarianism is.
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@gatojeton The question is: what does that actually mean, given he specifically says there is an inalienable right to self-defence? Just War was always about self-defence, so what is outdated in it?
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The augustinian Pope Leo just said, in a Magisterial document, that the "just war" theory is OUTDATED.
OUTDATED.
LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK!
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2/2 .@felix_romanus This always strikes me as strange. The service is conducted in the language of Shakespeare, but the lessons are read in the language of Robert Jenrick . Why? It sounds ridiculous. Religious modernists are, I think , scared of the power of the King James.
Felix Romanus@Felix_Romanus
@ClarkeMicah The BCP was written many decades earlier than the Authorised and is, in fact, matched with Henry VIII’s Great Bible. Moreover, the Authorised was written deliberately to drag interpretation of the BCP away from the Calvinist Geneva Bible, which was the most popular translation.
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@ClarkeMicah Really? Okay, I agree that that is entirely insane. Using the BCP but not the Authorised... I mean, why?! If you are worried the language might go over some people's heads then it is true of both or neither.
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.@felix_romanus . 1/2 Well, Henry's Great Bible is just no longer generally available. The only Bible which *is* generally available, which is poetic and beautiful, is the King James. Yet many churches which use the BCP do not use it.
Felix Romanus@Felix_Romanus
@ClarkeMicah The BCP was written many decades earlier than the Authorised and is, in fact, matched with Henry VIII’s Great Bible. Moreover, the Authorised was written deliberately to drag interpretation of the BCP away from the Calvinist Geneva Bible, which was the most popular translation.
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@AmericanReform_ The thing is, Thomas and the papal documents are using a very wide definition of slavery: I.e. the use of compelled labour. According to Thomas’ understanding the penal labour system in some US states is a form of slavery.
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This is a misleading characterization. The Catholic Church has never condemned slavery absolutely (nor can she), and she has always understood it as a consequence of the fall of man and a legitimate punishment. Scripture, in both the Old and New Testaments, Popes, Saints and theologians all witness to this.
The Holy Office ruled in 1886 that slavery, considered absolutely, was neither opposed to Divine nor Natural law. The same ruling affirms that — provided the slaves were deprived of their liberty by a just title, laid out by theologians and canonists — Catholics may lawfully buy and sell slaves, provided no injury is done to the rights of the latter.
Catholic saints have held slaves. Popes and religious orders have done the same.
As for the teaching of Pope Leo XIII in “In Plurimis,” he is merely following St. Thomas and identifying slavery as contrary to the first intention of Nature. After the fall of man, however, slavery is to be seen a legitimate punishment.
He notes (para. 3) that slavery is “wholly opposed” to the first intention of Nature, but in paragraph 7 of the same encyclical letter, he quotes Sts. Peter and Paul who affirm the legitimacy of slavery in the second intention of Nature, and urge slaves to be subject to good and cruel masters, alike.
Ted ☦️🐒@Tawadros15
The Catholic Church was the first Western institution to condemn slavery in Sicut Didum which condemned the enslavement of Canary Islanders in 1435, Sublimus Deus in 1537 which condemned the enslavement of Native Americans, finally In Supremo in 1837 which condemned all slavery
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@Pibydd @NicholasOShaug1 The word Prince is not English either, in the sense you’re talking about. It’s an importation from France. English royals were simply called “the Lord X” or “the Lady X” for most of the Middle Ages. Anglo-Saxon princes were called “Atherling”, meaning “king’s-child.”
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I think that the First Minister of Wales should have the title Tywysog, in the same way that the Irish Prime Minister is called Taoiseach.
Both words are from the same route. Tywysog means leader, not prince. Prince is the English translation but it is not the same thing at all.
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@ClarkeMicah The BCP was written many decades earlier than the Authorised and is, in fact, matched with Henry VIII’s Great Bible. Moreover, the Authorised was written deliberately to drag interpretation of the BCP away from the Calvinist Geneva Bible, which was the most popular translation.
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Why are you quoting the dreary RSV? The Prayer Book and the Authorised Version are matched with each other. Inserting modernised scripture in Prayer Book services is like mending a Cathedral roof with corrugated iron.
1662 Book of Common Prayer: International Edition@1662IE
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@JaKatholic @LMSChairman Not a diocesen bishop. It has an ordinary, like Opus Dei. Which is exactly my point...
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@Felix_Romanus @LMSChairman It is not bad news for those of us in the Ordinariate, as we have a bishop.
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Interesting. Pope Leo: ‘The bishop is therefore a very important figure of reference, & if a group says, “No, we are not in communion with this bishop, we want another one”, this will not do. We must try to live in communion with all the Church, at diocesan level as well as at universal level.’ 1/2
Amy Welborn@amywelborn2
Everyone's talking about the AI encyclical, but maybe take a look at what Leo said to leaders of ecclesial movements and new communities this morning: amywelborn.wordpress.com/2026/05/21/mov… "Here I would like to emphasize the importance of this dimension of communion with the Church as a whole. At times we find groups who close themselves up and think that their specific reality is the only one, or that it is the Church, but the Church is all of us, it is much more! And so our movements must truly endeavour to live in communion with the entire Church, at diocesan level. The bishop is therefore a very important figure of reference, and if a group says, “No, we are not in communion with this bishop, we want another one”, this will not do. We must try to live in communion with all the Church, at diocesan level as well as at universal level. In this light, we can better understand the meaning of fidelity to the founding charism, which constitutes an indispensable point of reference for the governance of an ecclesial community. Every authentic charism already contains within itself fidelity and openness to the Church. To govern in a manner faithful to the founding charism therefore means finding in it the inspiration to open oneself to the journey the Church is undertaking in the present, without becoming entrenched in the models—however positive—of the past, but allowing oneself to be challenged by new realities and challenges, in dialogue with all the other members of the ecclesial body."
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@93vintagejones Err, we did. Just look up the stats. Clearly you know nothing about the history of the industry.
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@Felix_Romanus Britain got absolutely nowhere near being self-sufficient in the post war period, regardless wha was the population in 1946 please?
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Britain has been a net food importer since the Industrial Revolution.
ClarksonsFarm@ClarksonsFarm1
National food security should be a top priority!🙌🏼
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@deanwball What I get from this is that you don't have the most basic idea what you are talking about. The problem of consciousness is one of the deepest issues in philosophy. We know machines do not thing because calculation is not the same as understanding and manipulating abstract ideas.
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Reading the encyclical, I am reminded that the Vatican is fundamentally a city-state on the continent of Europe, and that its elites, which of course include the Pope himself, cannot resist the myopic preoccupations of the Eurocrat.
This document would be much improved if it were less enamored of the traditional academia/civil society talking points on AI (“The apparent objectivity of the responses and suggestions these systems provide can lead us to overlook the fact that they reflect the cultural assumptions of those who designed and trained them” woah! really???) and more engaged with where AI is headed.
But instead of doing that, the encyclical dodges in the deepest sense, denying that AI “really thinks” or “really learns” and all that typical strain of cope that amounts to magical thinking: “when a computer does it, it is ‘data processing,’ beep boop, but when a human does it, it is ‘actual learning’”
It is probably actively bad for global understanding of AI that the Pope endorsed this viewpoint as late as 2026.
In the end, this encyclical reads to me as though ghost written by the blob of Western civil society, the same people whose feckless and incoherent preaching we have heard blanketing our media for decades now. And, in a very important sense, it was written by them; after all, who forms the peer group for the elites of a European city-state?
Like that blob, the encyclical is intellectually flaccid at its core, no matter how well intentioned it may be. This document is a missed opportunity to advance global understanding of AI, and yet another blow to the legitimacy and sanctity of storied Western institutions. As if you needed one more.
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@hf_222222 Yeah, that whole “just war is outdated” thing is plainly self contradictory. If self defence is always permitted then that IS Just War.
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Leo seeking a ban on autonomous weapons systems is a surprise to me.
Reinforces that Just War, I mean ah the right to military self-defence, is still undeniably being proclaimed. Even with AI weapons if used responsibly - Which is amazingly permissive imo. #MagnificaHumanitas
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@MrCasey62 Our Lord Himself recognises an unwritten tradition when he orders his followers to respect the Throne of Moses (which is not found explicitly described in the OT).
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TOO easy. From Jimmy Akin:
“Here are 4 Apostolic Traditions not mentioned in the Scripture:
1. No New Apostles (God could keep appointing them the way he did Paul)
2. No New Public Revelation (ended with the death of the last apostle)
3. No New Scriptures (since it's a form of public revelation)
4. New Testament Consists of 27 Books (took hundreds of years for this decision to be reached)
The claim that we don't have surviving Apostolic Traditions is just false!”
All of this is from Jimmy’s refutation of Sola Scriptura here:
youtu.be/5Cl9n5tqFcc?si…
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M.J.@MJKelleyII
Name one unwritten tradition. I’ll wait
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@hf_222222 No. It is. If something can absract ideas (forms) from sense data then it is conscious. As per Thomas. Given we have no idea how this happens even in humans, however, the idea we can replicate it is absurd.
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Nah, don't think we will need to pretend AIs are ensouled, not least because that isn't a scientific question.
Tom Harwood@tomhfh
Get the feeling this will be yet another point of superstition vs science upon which the Vatican eventually has to reverse ferret.
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@travisakers How is this a response? The US army allowing something doesn't somehow magically make it biblical.
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Abolish all devolved governments and mayors. Too many layers of wankers.
Politics UK@PolitlcsUK
🚨 NEW: 10 Mayors in England are set to introduce a tourist tax on overnight stays this summer [@Telegraph]
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@Felix_Romanus @DrKwasniewski In the 70s, it depended on the Bishop as it does now. I served at a parish where we knelt at the altar rail and we used patents. Archbishop Bernardin replaced our priest with a series of terrible priests, including one old one who would wing the Eucharistic prayer. "Here he is!"
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Today at Tradition & Sanity: there's a tendency among Catholic conservatives nowadays to soft-pedal the evils of the Council’s aftermath, as if to accuse traditionalists of exaggeration. Nothing could be further from the truth. The following first-person narrative is well worth sharing as widely as possible, especially for the benefit of the large number of Catholics who were not alive during the 1960s and who have no idea how bad it was.
traditionsanity.com/p/not-the-sill…
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