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my political ideology

yall still think the knight is real? 🚬

@aveenaplanet i actually have a post which somewhat boils down to frisk = chara = kris lol. utdr has a protagonist - that protagonist is "the human". identity debates aside, these characters are all exploring the same ideas and they're all intimately connected kenomacreature.tumblr.com/post/801314502…

the whole identity question of deltarune is literally an expansion of undertale as well. is.. no one clocking how the whole "me" thing and pushing your identity onto kris is just chara/frisk backwards? chara is "the true name" but toby made it clear over the years that the name is supposed to be yours. (YOUR NAME is the true name in deltarune in the files. true name just seems to mean whatever name gets overwritten by whoever has the authority over identity.) i mean guys... how do you think pushing your name/idenity (the little name in the save point box!) is gonna end.......? how did it end in undertale......? i was never into the mainstream fandom i was more into the literary analysis/theory side of undertale for years, and god, some of the things in deltarune is highkey confirming some old forgotten theories about how protagonism worked in undertale. what it means to share the players name, the nature of whos soul is who, deltarune LITERALLY bringing back "wait are they talking to me or chara rn this applies to both of us..." with kris in the sword route which was a BIG piece of evidence (along with chara saying they dont understand our feelings anymore once they go all demon mode) for the connection w the demons name basically slowly conflating the player and protagonist until they gain their own agency etc etc etc. all this shit is so niche and so relevant and im so suprised no OG undertale theorists are noticing any of this shit. i was a BIIIGGG hater of chara=frisk theory back in the day. but now with deltarune bringing BACK the idea of the players name vs. the protag choosing their OWN name ive had to reconsider chara=frisk as chara=frisk=kris. idk i think toby fox might fr be telling the chara/frisk story backwards lmao. also im never going to get over "Will now be discarded. Nobody can choose who they are in this world. Your name is..." doing a callback to charas favorite topic being "this world" while also calling back to "You must choose a name." "I already CHOSE that name." charas love of black screen white text ominious ahh speech and it LITERALLY just being a turn tables lmao. IDK IM NOT TRYNA BE CONTREVERSIAL HERE. NO HATE. but believe me when i say 99% of deltarunes themes on control and identity were present in undertale and majorly theorized about, but this time its the main fucking conflict lmao.

the player is diegetic in undertale. i sometimes see people talk about this as if it's ambiguous or something but it really isn't. chara directly converses with the player in the genocide endings (and no, they're not "talking to frisk")

@ritsusimp1 in fairness, toby made the borderline nonsensical decision of having flowey address that to chara, but it doesn't really matter since chara in the genocide ending clears the matter up: it wasn't - as it may have seemed - their determination resetting things, it was OURS.

@gonergnostic flowey also talks directly to the player at the end of true pacifist when you reboot the game. he begs you to not reset and says "let frisk live their life." can not fathom how anyone could think the player isn't diegetic in undertale

@KakiSnowCream @hellhound33334 i dont believe narrachara.

@gonergnostic @hellhound33334 Also narrachara to me is a theory with holes

@CherryPixie3 @hellhound33334 chara and gaster both have moments where they wonder what kind of thing you are. chara's puzzled by your "perverted sentimentality", gaster finds your every action fascinating and on weird runs like no achievements he outright questions "what are you?"

@hellhound33334 @gonergnostic i never got the impression that there was any notion of how well chara or gaster knew what the player is because it didnt feel relevant to me? maybe thats a reading from ignorance but does it actually matter? does the diegetic player need to have a concrete shape to the character

How do i respectfully say that if you mutter, ANYTHING close to any ending acknowledging the player, instead of frisk, the weirdest people who love a yellow child a bit too- much will bitch and moan over it And im not even talking about the person in the replies

@KakiSnowCream @hellhound33334 oh, and of course, flowey talks to chara and urges THEM not to reset the game at the end of pacifist; the scene barely even makes logistical sense but toby wanted to underline that chara is the resetting force that badly i suppose!

@KakiSnowCream @hellhound33334 chara is the player avatar. chara narrates their actions in first person. chara says "my determination" and aligns it with yours.

kris knight was every bit as rational to believe in as dess knight is now. the current fandom dynamic of dess knighters vs. deniers, and the motivations underlying those positions, are more or less directly analogous to the ch2 era debates. first as a tragedy, then as a farce

the trvke that many are hesitant to admit is that they are

@KakiSnowCream @hellhound33334 snowdin "frisk" skips puzzles by themself, in line with chara's established hatred of inefficiency and wasting time.

@hellhound33334 @gonergnostic How i view it mor clearly is ruins is clearly frisk. Snowdin still is frisk. Waterfall has chara slowly creeping in. Hotland has chara as an even stronger force. New home is at the point the line between the two blurs. Lv 20 is full chara. It makes sense because as

@KakiSnowCream @hellhound33334 in the genocide ending, chara says that they were awakened from death at the very beginning, and it's clear that this happens on every route because chara's influence can be felt outside geno. chara says "my determination".

@KakiSnowCream @hellhound33334 the most significant shows of personality from "frisk" tend to be things inherited from chara. in my opinion, their determination is one of these things. their refusal to stay at toriel's, their refusal to die, they are contextualized with memories of *chara's*.

@mmpp_game it makes me very happy to see that some good things have come from this awful controversy, such as increased communication between japanese and overseas fans. i love that machine translation has allowed fans of different languages to overcome the language barrier and communicate

日本語訳に関して海外の方のネガティブなポストが目についてやだなって滅入ってたんだけど、こうだからあえてこう言う訳し方をしてるんだって言う話をセオさんと海外の方が有意義に話されてるのをみてとても嬉しくなった、こういう好きなものを知りたい共有したいと思ってするやりとりはとっても好き。

@KakiSnowCream @hellhound33334 i think frisk is largely a kind of blank slate and undertale is about guiding them to becoming whatever person they become through the actions you choose. to this end they are not really an independent character. they don't contain depth in that traditional sense.

@gonergnostic @hellhound33334 Also Im sorry but frisk under your lens seems kinda boring and narratively uncompelling. I prefer a story of having a choice to be a good person or give in better than innocent baby victim

@KakiSnowCream @hellhound33334 i'm not super personally familiar with the anime you're referencing but thats ok. i think there's more to chara than sadism but i also think the collective fandom has overcorrected pretty massively on this issue tbh, often denying chara's clearly established traits

@gonergnostic @hellhound33334 Also for the record i agree chara is a huge genocide force and theyre heavily involved. I just cant agree theyre like full sukuna level in terms of sadism how people make them out to be. I see them in a more makima sense of evil

@KakiSnowCream @hellhound33334 gish gallop isnt an argument, it's a rhetorical technique that i'm not always down to engage with. i'm fully capable of reading past 3 sentences but i think you're also fully capable of just addressing my points directly instead of sending old walls of text

@gonergnostic @hellhound33334 Also “gish gallop” not an argument and also this was from me arguing with someone a long time ago and also send walls of text to me as well. Also i do think humans are able to read past 3 sentences

@KakiSnowCream @hellhound33334 well, okay, their antisocial personality specifically manifests in sadistic acts (the creepy expressions/smiling/laughing when others are in pain or afraid - concretely established as a chara trait and then repeatedly occurs in genocide route)

@gonergnostic @hellhound33334 Yes they are antisocial. That doesnt really disprove me.

@KakiSnowCream @hellhound33334 not sure how up i am for reading this wall of text, this feels like a bit of a gish gallopy response. you asked for a demonstration of chara's sadism, i provided it. chara is repeatedly implied or demonstrated to behave in antisocial ways

@gonergnostic @hellhound33334 Here

@KakiSnowCream @hellhound33334

@hellhound33334 @gonergnostic Show me. Also their evil is a different kind of evil. They just see the world as something to consume and their main drive is power and dominance rather than enjoying things for the sake of it