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@halal_editor

Writer & Analytical Thinker | Critical Thinker | Philosophy & Comparative Ideologies Enthusiast | Professional Graphic Designer | Research-Oriented | Polemicist

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Kind Umar@halal_editor·
📌 What is "Contingency Argument"? بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم The Most popular Atheist of the subcontinent, Javed Akhtar, is unaware of one of the key arguments of Theism. I will try to present the Contingency Argument in a way that even our Desi Atheist and an ordinary layperson can grasp it. ●When we see a plant, it has a specific shape, size, and colour. The reason for this is that its environment and conditions made it the way it is. So when we see something with specific characteristics, we naturally demand an explanation for why the thing is "the way it is". 🔰Science is based on a principle known as PSR, the "Principle of Sufficient Reason". When scientists saw a ball falling to the ground, they began searching for an explanation: why did the ball fall that way, why did it go downward and not in any other direction, and so on. This is what PSR means: when we observe something with specific features or behavior, we try to find the explanation behind why it is "the way it is". Another example is the human being. When scientists reflected on the fact that humans have a specific shape, height, and size, they concluded that there must be an explanation or reason behind it. As a result, they proposed various theories. Anything that has specification, or that could have been otherwise, requires an External explanation. This principle is called PSR. When we observe a new event in our galaxy, we do not abandon our reasoning and say there must be no explanation behind it. Instead, we believe that there is an explanation, based on PSR. Therefore, science itself is grounded in PSR, as it generates curiosity and the search for answers. Anyone who denies PSR would ultimately have to reject science as a whole. So, If things could have been different but are the way they are, then there must be a reason and an explanation for why they are the way they are. 🔰So, a thing that has specification (Susceptible to Disassemble) or could have been otherwise is known as a Contingent thing. Contingent things require an explanation for their specification and existence, since they could have been non-existent. Therefore, contingent things require an explanation. 📗Academically, Contingent things are "Susceptible to Disassembly," meaning they can be taken apart, and they have "Arbitrary Limits". 🔰Now let us consider the universe. Does it have specific characteristics? Can it be rearranged in a different way? Is it possible that it might not have existed? The answer is YES. Hence, the universe is CONTINGENT, and using PSR, it requires an explanation for "the way it is". 📛Now one may say that there are infinite contingent things. 🔰1. The Problem of Infinite Regress Imagine you want to shoot a bird. You ask permission from your brother to shoot it. Similarly, your brother asks his elder brother, the elder brother asks another brother, and this continues infinitely. Would the you ever be able to shoot the bird? The answer is NO, because the chain of permission would be infinite. But if he does shoot, then it would entail that the chain stops somewhere; there must be a first permission giver. ■Now applying this logic to the universe: If the universe has a cause, and that cause has a cause, and that cause also has a cause, and this continues infinitely, will the universe exist? The answer is NO, because the chain of causes would be infinite. But the universe does exist; therefore, it entails that there must be a first cause. ■ Applying this to contingency: A plant depends for its specifications on its atmosphere; the atmosphere depends for its specification on the Earth; the Earth depends on the solar system; the solar system depends on the galaxy; the galaxy depends on the universe; the universe depends on the multiverse. If this chain were infinite, the plant would not have existed, because the chain of dependency would be infinite. 📒Part 1/3....
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Kind Umar@halal_editor·
Which question did they not answer? They answered all the questions Alhamdullilah. Any question related to a “non-binding” figure in a debate about “binding authorities” would be highlighted as a "red herring", and that alone would suffice as an answer within that debate. 📌What are your thoughts on repeatedly committing the "false equivalence fallacy" in debate? Can you demonstrate "symmetry" in Qadianis argument within the “binding authorities” context? Alhamdulillah, @DWI_MImtiaz and @MrAdnanRashid clearly annihilated them!
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Mufti Fazal Hamdard@muftihamdard·
Adnan Rashid should also address and provide answers during debates regarding the controversial passages found in the books of his sect's elders.
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Kind Umar@halal_editor·
This once again shows that you are misrepresenting things. Qadianis themselves know that @DWI_MImtiaz and @MrAdnanRashid won. This can possibly be inferred from the fact that your team issued a copyright claim on the debate while it was live, and the video was taken down from their channel. Why did you want to hide the debate from a larger audience? The screenshot you are showing does not “necessitate” that he is saying “you won.”🤦 ●Can you "logically" demonstrate how this screenshot "necessitates" what you are claiming? IF, in a debate between [X and Y], X does not answer a question, it does Not necessarily mean that Y has won, because it is entirely possible that Y’s performance is even worse. ■Secondly, which question did they not answer? They answered all the questions Alhamdullilah. Any question related to a “non-binding” figure in a debate about “binding authorities” would be highlighted as a "red herring", and that alone would suffice as an answer within that debate. 📌Razi, what are your thoughts on repeatedly committing the "false equivalence fallacy" in debate? Can you demonstrate "symmetry" in your argument within the “binding authorities” context? Alhamdulillah, Imtiaz and Adnan clearly annihilated you all!
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Muhammad imtiaz@DWI_MImtiaz·
HISTORIC LONDON DEBATES ISLAM VS AHMADIYYA | SPECIAL MESSAGE
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Kind Umar@halal_editor·
@thesaviorweneed @AleMartnezR1 🌻Thank you, my brother, for finally conceding that you have NO Evidence for what you believe; At least we both agreed that you are engaging in blind belief. As for my worldview, I will leave it up to the audience to decide based on our conversation. It was nice talking to U.
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Natural Theist@AleMartnezR1·
Why the universe is Contingent. Two basic properties of a contingent object: The Logic: A necessary being or state does not undergo "exhaustion" or decay in its fundamental nature. However, the energy in our universe is constantly moving from a state of low entropy (high order/availability) to high entropy (disorder/unavailability). ​The Proof: Because the universe currently possesses usable energy, it must have had a beginning or a specific "low entropy" injection at a finite point in the past. Anything that begins to exist or changes its state over time is, by definition, contingent upon the conditions that set that state. @MartinTweats @Barely_Christ @philobrossuckdi @JockoBocko3 @CatholicCo200 @TomMore9 @limitandmind @salsoleto
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@AleMartnezR1 @hermanneudix @MartinTweats Why assume any of the thing is contingent or dependent? I don't have any reservations accepting that everything I've ever experienced is the result of a necessary unified self-existent uncaused universe. What makes you think that logically that can't be the case?

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Kind Umar@halal_editor·
@thesaviorweneed @AleMartnezR1 That’s a red herring. Please answer what I am asking; this is the fourth time I am repeating it. 📌Please provide at least one piece of evidence that a pen is necessary or that it has to exist. I am waiting.
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Prophet Rob
Prophet Rob@thesaviorweneed·
@halal_editor @AleMartnezR1 Well a necessary universe seems as ordinary as a necessary God to me and I think you're mistaken about what my practical life establishes because it led me to believe the opposite of you
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Kind Umar
Kind Umar@halal_editor·
@thesaviorweneed @AleMartnezR1 99.9% of humans + 99.9% of your own practical life are more than sufficient to establish the “status quo.” That is how, epistemologically, people distinguish between ordinary and extraordinary. 📌So now, please provide at least one piece of evidence that a pen is necessary.
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Kind Umar@halal_editor·
@thesaviorweneed @AleMartnezR1 That is not only a straw man but also a tu quoque fallacy. At the very least, you should acknowledge that you are being inconsistent when you look for explanations in real life or in 99.9% of cases.
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Prophet Rob
Prophet Rob@thesaviorweneed·
@halal_editor @AleMartnezR1 If you lose your wallet the fundamental explanation would be that God is necessary and had to create this world such that losing your wallet happened
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Kind Umar
Kind Umar@halal_editor·
@thesaviorweneed @AleMartnezR1 No, we are not doing the same thing because of "Relevant Difference" yardstick whereas yours either commits the fallacy of special pleading or denies the most obvious aspects of reality.
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Prophet Rob
Prophet Rob@thesaviorweneed·
@halal_editor @AleMartnezR1 3 if that's what I'm doing then that's what you would be doing too. If God is then it is what it is because it is, I simply think the same for a universe without a God 4 I think the predicate is necessary, that my thoughts are necessary. I have no way out of what I must do
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Prophet Rob
Prophet Rob@thesaviorweneed·
@halal_editor @AleMartnezR1 This might sound rude but I have no problem with the idea that I'm better at thinking than 99.9999% of the population Pens didn't exist before pens were invented because there were other states the universe had to go through to get to that event
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Prophet Rob
Prophet Rob@thesaviorweneed·
@halal_editor @AleMartnezR1 I get the impression that everything is necessary, events, underwear, anything. I can't think of a way to test if it is though. I mean then as in therefore The universe is necessary The solar system is made of the universe Therefore the solar system is necessary
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Prophet Rob
Prophet Rob@thesaviorweneed·
@halal_editor @AleMartnezR1 If the universe is necessary then the solar system would be too, nothing special happening How do you know self existent things can't have arbitrary limits? The last one just seems like assuming your conclusion from the outset by assuming any of it is contingent
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Prophet Rob
Prophet Rob@thesaviorweneed·
@halal_editor @AleMartnezR1 Try applying the PSR to God If self-explanatory is a coherent logical option there then it is for a natural universe as well
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Kind Umar
Kind Umar@halal_editor·
@Kamal94598633 @GodLogic_GL I just said a “sincere and sound” reading or understanding of the scripture; nowhere did I say “filter” or anything like that. A sound understanding would align with "ontological reality".
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Kamal.@Kamal94598633·
@halal_editor @GodLogic_GL 'People of the scriptures' will judge according to what they have not according to what is already be considered as falsehood. A 'sincere understanding' doesn’t mean filtering it through another book. Well it is nice talking with you however not convincing. Shalom to you.
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GodLogic_GL@GodLogic_GL·
HIJAB'S CAREER ENDING SELF-OWN. 😂 He WHEEZES into the microphone over the definition of Furqan, BUT DOESN'T REALIZE THE TORAH IS CALLED FURQAN In Surah 2:53 / 21:48 😂😂😂
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Kind Umar@halal_editor·
@Kamal94598633 @GodLogic_GL Well, once again, you’ve repeated the same point without substantiating it.🤦 It seems like you are not willing to engage, so I’ll leave it up to the audience to decide. Have a nice day.
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Kamal.@Kamal94598633·
@halal_editor @GodLogic_GL C'mon brother, Your X and Y analogy isn’t in the verse. The verse doesn’t say “use X to verify Y”. it says judge by what’s in X itself. You’ve added an extra step 'filter or verification' that the text never mentions. That’s not explanation, that’s insertion.
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Steve O@Sacred_Panda_·
@halal_editor @GodLogic_GL The fangs come out so easily for you. I have not lied. Muhammad told them not to come to them but to judge by the gospel which you have with you. This is the NT. Seems you knew of this and decided to 🤥
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Kind Umar@halal_editor·
@Kamal94598633 @GodLogic_GL 🤦For "those" "People of the Scripture", a "Sincere and Sound" understanding of their scripture would be enough for them to see the truth embedded, That would be sufficient for a sincere person to embrace the truth of the Quran.
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Kamal.@Kamal94598633·
@halal_editor @GodLogic_GL Are you saying that Filter the Gospel through the Qur’an first, then 'judge by it.' ? That’s the reverse of the verse. The verse says 'judge by what’s in it' not judge by what matches something else. At that point, you’re not judging by the Gospel anymore. 😄
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Kamal.@Kamal94598633·
@halal_editor @GodLogic_GL I understood your point and it just doesn’t work. You’re taking a clear command “judge by it” and downgrading it into a 'tool' to fit other verses. That’s not coherence, that’s reinterpretation. A command with condemnation is not optional means.
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Kind Umar@halal_editor·
@Sacred_Panda_ @GodLogic_GL So you claimed that the New Testament is mentioned in the Quran, but when I asked you to show it, you Failed🤦. And now you are giving me a video of David Wood, who was recently Annihilated on this Islamic dilemma topic 👇🏼. youtu.be/k3W0Mg8meO4?si…
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