THAAKUR SAAAB

When representatives of backward communities appeared before simon commission in 1928 & submitted a memorandum using surname "sharma," sir John Simon was reportedly astonished. looking at their names, he immediately asked, since when have the sharmas of india become backward?

@Somewhatpositiv We generally consider all of them as shauka, which is why confusion often arises.

@Somewhatpositiv right, northern and upper hilly parts of Humla, such as Namkha and Simikot, are inhabited by Tibetan origin Buddhist communities locally known as Jad or Thapalya. In July 2024, Nepal government officially recognized them as a separate indigenous group under the name “Humlo”.

ashok challa CP: king ashok challa declared establishment of 'taat' (loving/friendly relations) between khas & jad (shauka) tribes, probably there was an ongoing dispute between them over borders, grazing lands/resources. he did this to maintain peace in region/strengthen rule.

@MuditaNotes after defeating gorkhas,british did not appoint any king but instead brought kumaon directly under british rule.

@hill07Maverick Lord Mountbatten declared that all treaties between the British Crown and the Princely States of India would legally lapse and expire. Why kumaun people doesn’t make separate country Gardesh ?

1814, mr. fraser, secret letter to EIC 1: Place direct descendant(parewa or jeebi villages)of chand dynasty on throne under british protection. 2: Appoint katheria rajput relatives of chand from moradabad, Joshi told fraser, a plains rajput had previously become ruler kumaun

@DC48469195 @niveshit @Bakwabaasa even in the court of nawab of farrukhabad, chauthani pandeys served in high ranking positions.

@niveshit @Bakwabaasa @hill07Maverick Chauthanis were not even limited to Kumaon. They made their way to many other kingdoms; even the Diwans of Rampur State (irony). 😂

@Bakwabaasa @niveshit @DC48469195 jhukurk singh bhai,haal me ek historian gadhwal ke tadagi ke bare me bataye the ki champawat me koi dispute hua tha brahman aur tadagi logo me,uske bad kuch tadagi gadhwal darbar me aa gye service m. kitna sach malum nhi

@niveshit @hill07Maverick @DC48469195 I didn't said about danu wo to h hi kumaon majority wale, ye ek jsi geography or phenotype ki caste h,ek group hota to same devta hote jo ki nhi hai,my nani is Gadiya.My budhi dadi is also Gadiya. I am tadagi par meri thati Rudraprayag. laspya bangar ki h.

@Bakwabaasa @DC48469195 @khabdoda In some plains regions also, some non dwija groups could wear only lower strand janeu. In Kumaon, Khas Brahmins/Thakurs wore 3 strand and dwijas who involved in widow remarriage or ploughing or married into khas groups were degraded to 3 strand janeu

@DC48469195 @khabdoda @hill07Maverick Tb to ye idhar h hi nhi,mtlb paswa log strictly follow bhi krte lekin janeu jruri nhi.

@DC48469195 @Bakwabaasa presence of kayastha caste in kumaon is also evident from kalyanchandrodaya.

@hill07Maverick @Bakwabaasa Yeah, they were the ones mentioned as Sahoos & Mahojans in Chand era works.

@DC48469195 @Bakwabaasa in many regions of kumaon, mongoloid features among the shilpkar communities are surprisingly less common than among khas population, and in some areas they are almost negligible.

@hill07Maverick @Bakwabaasa K, but most of them continue to be endogamous, especially the ones here in Nainital. But yeah, it is more of an economic function.

@DC48469195 @Bakwabaasa in kumaon, thulghariya shahs were traditionally considered agrawals/vaishyas?

@hill07Maverick @Bakwabaasa Even Shah-Chaudhary-Rais haven't assimilated much ig.

@DC48469195 @Bakwabaasa among brahmins, only chauthani/kshatkuli groups have been able to maintain endogamy till now.

@hill07Maverick @Bakwabaasa Among Thakurs, yes. But ig Brahmins and Shilpkars have maintained distinctions.

@Bakwabaasa @DC48469195 ye sabhi plain origin kshtriya group mane jate waha?

@DC48469195 @hill07Maverick nhi yaar hmare yhn thakuro m nhi dekha mne ,Badrinath side ke kuch thakur krte h,Bartwal,Kandari,Aswal ,Sajwan only.

@Bakwabaasa @DC48469195 In Kumaon, Khatris, Kayasths, Banias, and Thakurs have largely become a social cocktail through intermixing, while only Chand Kshatriya group was able to maintain strict endogamy

@hill07Maverick @DC48469195 Wse what is the status of Pharswan in kumaon?

@Bakwabaasa @DC48469195 in garhwal, janeu ceremony did not hold much importance, but in nepal and kumaon, janeu ritual was considered mandatory for bith class

@hill07Maverick @DC48469195 as per my knowledge we don't have 3 palli janeu system in My region.

@Bakwabaasa @DC48469195 according to nepalese social customs, khas chhetris wear a 6 palli janeyu, whereas khatris wear 3 palli janeyu.

@hill07Maverick @DC48469195 Khatris of chamoli are also believe to migrated from western nepal with Pharswan .

शिलालेख में कुमाऊँ के चंद वंशीय राजा ज्ञान चंद (शक 1303 )द्वारा अपने विवाह और रानी को 'मुख्य रानी' का दर्जा देने का उल्लेख है।पुरालेख साधारण मकान की दीवार में लगा मिला। मध्यकाल में पुरानी शिलाओं को नए निर्माणों में लगाने की प्रथा (Spolia) कुमाऊँ सहित उत्तर भारत में आम थी।