KeyC

385 posts

KeyC

@iam_KeyC

Katılım Aralık 2023

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·2h

@excalipermx Steam is also an example that proofs that the concept has merit. Gabe Newell the creator of steam himself spoke out about it and said that piracy in countries vastly decreased once they established a good service for destribution. His approach is decreasing reason for piracy.

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エクスカリパー@excalipermx·4h

もちろんです。それは海外の人々も共通の認識ですよ。正規ルートが存在しないと海賊版のシェアが100%になる。正規ルートが作られると海賊版のシェアが減る。正規ルートが快適に整備されると海賊版のシェアはもっと減る。そうなる事を海外の人々も望んでいるのです。

闇属性@sandletter1

海賊版を減らそうと努力している、というのも、共通認識でいいですか？

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·4h

@r_a_b_b_i_t I've been doing an effort to understand JP ethics and to explain the ones of someone overseas. I've seen plenty of bad faith interpretations of messages or dumbing them down to make us look stupid. I want to be respectful, but at this point textspace can't satisfy the demand.

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RABBIT!!@r_a_b_b_i_t·4h

この偉そうな物言いでわかるように、日本の道徳では許されない行為であることを全く無視し、自分らの考えだけが正しいから劣る、遅れてるお前らに教えてやってるんだという醜い差別根性が全てのポストに入ってるのがすごい

KeyC@iam_KeyC

@r_a_b_b_i_t And overseas was talking about game preservation for the past year, which was started by the initiative. This situation is just the next one and autotranslate brought in a new audience. Thats why overseas seems so united in their ideas. JP is just 1 year late into the discussion.

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·4h

@gerogeroR The reason many people claim that it doesn't cost much is, that dedicated server or offline play is ususally part of the natural development of a game for testing purposes in house. Restrictions are added afterwards to gurantee safety. Planning ahead makes implementation cheaper.

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·4h

@gerogeroR The idea behind the law the west tries to apply isn't expecting game servers to run forever and it won't affect games retroactively They want developers to make their games with an end of life plan in mind. Either offline play, P2P or dedicated server. No costs after EoS expected

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もへもへ@gerogeroR·14h

オンゲを「いつまでもプレイできるようにしろ」という裁判はさすがにむちゃくちゃで、気持ちはわかるが、「ならプライベート鯖を自分でたてろや。そのプライベート鯖をたてるためのデータは提供する」ならわかるんだけど、鯖の管理費までゲーム会社に未来永劫負担させようみたいになってるのはさすがにテイカーすぎんか・・・・。

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·4h

@Tereta_Orcmon Many people also think, that this way of pampering to a wider audience outside of the original audience lead to the downfall of many companies in the west. While we still argue to this day who is right, maybe it helps to understand that our motivations comes from love for the OG.

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·4h

@Tereta_Orcmon Maybe it helps with the understanding for our resentment of companies. We also don't want this political correctness. But businesses think that saver work can be sold to more people. This leads to overseas companys forcing changes onto the author, which art we fell in love with.

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テれ太@Tereta_Orcmon·11h

海賊版の話とは変わるけど、ここまで日本の作品を好きでいてくれたなら、ポリコレ文化を日本に押し付けたり、そちらの国でもポリコレに敗北しないで欲しかったよいやホントに

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·4h

@momiji_manjyuu I appreciate reading people from JP speaking from their side, where we would not dare to assume. It is nice to see people speak out on hypocricy that is hold against us. We know we are not perfect, but we were ready to apologize for our bad apples. But JP had a better reputation.

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もみじ(Momiji)@momiji_manjyuu·5h

外国人から称賛されまくって出羽守の気持ちよさを体験してる。俺も「欧米デハー」って言える権利を得たｗ

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·4h

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·5h

@r_a_b_b_i_t It just has become a greater talk about ethics. JP continuesly argued that it hurts the artist, which overseas can't understand if it was abandond and didn't make money anymore. Overseas is mostly talking about morals, while JP talks about laws.

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RABBIT!!@r_a_b_b_i_t·5h

こういう嘘をつくよ本当にすごい日本メーカーがサービス終わらせようとした時、この今の話題の時でも何百も出てるのに、そんな話はないと嘘をつくすごいね

KeyC@iam_KeyC

@r_a_b_b_i_t Yeah... no one is talking about that. I have not seen a single person outside of JP asking for that, but for some reason JP keeps bringing it up and try to weaponize a fake demand to make us look stupid. Those bad faith interpretations make it not worth having a conversation.

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·5h

@RepGesAuto_NieR The general opinion is, that big corporations start to introduce exploitive strategies to increase profits, while we notice a steady decline in the actual quality. We believe in good quality and positive customer relationship finding success, like Steam. Not monetizing strategies

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·5h

@RepGesAuto_NieR Look at our history across EU and US, revolution against laws or oppression have been common, if the law starts to infringe on the rights of the less fortunate. While it has become more common to hate on it, I think reasonable people still understand the importance of companies

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グロレプ@RepGesAuto_NieR·7h

さらに分かってきた僕たちが著作権を守ることを彼らは「企業利益の保護」と捉えてしまうから彼らは理解に苦しむんだね。だって企業を守る価値は無いのだから。そして法を守ることも彼らからするとかなり疑問符がつく。彼らは理解不能ではないけど、なぜそこまで律儀なのか、本質的に分からないだろう

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·6h

@Tats_Gunso Would have never been on my bingo card. But I prefer this open discussion where people express their unfiltered opinions rather than fake uphold standards. We can't find solutions with fake opinions. But raw feelings atleast reflect a persons character to understand them better.

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エースマン菅原@Tats_Gunso·1d

イーロンが自動翻訳導入して日米がBBQの話題などで浮かれるのはいいが、そのうち歴史認識や欧米式文化戦争概念の輸入で仲違いが始まるぞと予想されてたが、まさか最初のそれが上記のどれでもなくニアオートマタから始まるとは思わんやんね。

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·6h

@MUKIDEZA2 While JP might critizise how we change companies over our lifetime, the laborlaws in my country are pretty good which wouldn't allow such behavior towards their employes. We have to send in a notice and give them a set time to find a solution, but after that we are free to go.

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ムキデザ│グラフィックデザイナー@MUKIDEZA2·12h

Xで海外の方たちと喋って楽しくやってはいるけど、現実の方はかなり大変でデザイナー以外で契約していたジムのスタッフの仕事を辞めたいと会社に言ってきたんです。そしたら「人が足りないから辞めさせない」とか「支配人が居ない対応できない」とか言ってくるんです。無断欠勤してもいいですか？

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·6h

@CURSEis @ootaushiichi I start to feel that JP doesn't realise how bad the reputation of companies like SE, Capcom or Nintendo has become from the steady decline of quality over the years. They are part of the global companies that lead to this uproar in the first place. Nier is just another incident.

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CURSE∞🎼@CURSEis·9h

@ootaushiichi これ海外の企業事情がだいぶアレなせいもあるっぽくてあちらの認識ではまず前提として企業が巨悪、ニーアの件を例としてスクエア・エニックスとするけどんで制作陣は巨悪に搾取されてる哀れな被害者、どれだけ売上が出ても巨悪企業が搾取してクリエイターには還元されない、これが前提になってる

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太田うしいち@ootaushiichi·11h

海賊版騒動のおかげでなんで日本の漫画アニメ、韓国のドラマが覇権とったのか分かった気がするこの2カ国ぐらいしか「クリエイターに正当な利益を帰さなければコンテンツは衰退する」という当たり前の事象を国民全体で分かってる国がないのかもな⋯

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·6h

@momiji_manjyuu Despite differences I had the chance to have pleasant conversations that would otherwise be impossible. It definitly broke the reputation that JP was able to keep up so long, once the face is removed people speak their mind. I expect flaws in human so we got this one in common 😄

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もみじ(Momiji)@momiji_manjyuu·22h

日本人に対する神秘なんて早く剥がれた方がいいんですよ。その上で「対等」に付き合おうじゃないですか世界の皆さん

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·7h

@Tats_Gunso Despite differences I was interested in understanding JPs side of thinking. I had very nice people taking the time to reading and answering in detail, despite opposite views. But it gets tiresome when a complex problem gets simplified to a point that it misrepresents the issue.

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エースマン菅原@Tats_Gunso·9h

これはマジな話で。海外の冷静な人たちは日本との文化の違いがーって真面目に分析しようとしてくれてたけど、もちろんそういう面も多少はあるけど、大多数の日本側の反応はもっと単純化に日本人の「ムラ社会」精神からくる「村八分モード」の嫌がらせなんですよ。冷静に相手してる人達が可哀想。

not_cyotee@NCyotee

Is this true? Did Japan really pirate their own media because of distribution problems? It's all of this just silly?

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RABBIT!!@r_a_b_b_i_t·10h

維持するには莫大なお金がかかるのだけれど、それは出さない、自分のものを自分で判断することも許さないではただのわがままで、そういう人がいることの方がはるかにショックだった大金かけて作ったものが売れず終わらせようとした際に、買わない人たちにさらに大金かけて維持しろって命令される

KeyC@iam_KeyC

@ember2528 @3u5zKUHcNwECe89 @SigmaSyndikate @omusubirolling1 Sadly, not everything makes it overseas and I think many of us didn't realise how different the view on art is. As creator we are as grateful to our supporter as the other way around. So it came to a shock that art is so easily dismissed when a company sees it as unprofitable.

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·18h

@phase010923 Applying the law is putting resources into chasing something that ultimatively might resolve in a loss, especially with different global laws. But investing in the accessibilty of more people reduces pricy while converting pirates to customers and potential loyal fans.

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KeyC@iam_KeyC·18h

@phase010923 The idea behind is, that people who don't want to pay always find a way around, no matter how much we try to apply the law. So it's better to get the people as customers who were willing, but just couldn't and had to rely on those methodes. And it reduced piracy massively.

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TOMOシン@phase010923·1d

外国人ってよく「海賊されたくないならうちの国で販売しろ」って言うけど絶対買わないだろ。トモコレだってあと数時間で色んな国で展開されんのに既に海賊版プレイしてるやつ沢山いるし、あいつらどうせ自国で販売されてもタダで遊べる方選ぶだろ

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