@jackconran8@AdamMeakins@adamdobson123 Symptoms and following with MRI. Not that I recommend MRI like this but because I could/it was free/I work in the department!
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Loved it.
@northwoods1980@AdamMeakins@adamdobson123 Hi @northwoods1980 out of interest, was the 3 year healing period you mention for your annulus based on your symptom’s improving or based on MRI? I only ask as it feeds into a conversation I had with a patient the other day following an AI search they had done.
Honest question. Is your primary message here that rounded back deadlifts like this are acceptable and OK, or that they’ve actually been shown to be beneficial, causing tissue adaptations over time that lead to resiliency and optimal adaptation versus variations that maintain a neutral or extended spine position?
Interesting concept. I’ve never tried these but I’d be nervous to. Both of my severe back injuries came from lifting something awkwardly in a flexed spine position that ended up tearing my annulus. The last time it happened lifting a trailer it took almost 3 years to heal. I’d be wary, but I’m curious to hear a more nuanced discussion on your position here. Thanks
asked by a patient if it’s safe to deadlift etc with 2 MRI confirmed annual tears at L3/4 and L4/5. I said yes but work within comfort limits & build up. He showed me AI & it said they can be made worse by heavy lifting 😩. What do you advise pts? @adamdobson123@AdamMeakins
@neilorpen@adewagstaff@TaiwanOzPhysio@adamdobson123@AdamMeakins I’m assuming you see more persistent symptoms/higher risk in overweight patients and better improvement in patients who are able to lose weight if they are overweight (like most MSK conditions)?
@adewagstaff@jackconran8@TaiwanOzPhysio@adamdobson123@AdamMeakins Even after disc surgery I don’t restrict them after 3 months as nobody wants a lifetime of restriction - but there is a risk and the best to do is encourage sensible strategies and exercise advising against high risk activities
@adewagstaff@neilorpen@TaiwanOzPhysio@adamdobson123@AdamMeakins I guess the issue is unless you gradually build somebody’s load/tolerance to these type of activities that invariably when they are exposed to that load unexpectedly, I assume there would be an increased risk?
@neilorpen@jackconran8@TaiwanOzPhysio@adamdobson123@AdamMeakins 👀.........you mean.....go slow and build slow? Do you have any credible evidence that an MRI disc issue will predict future failure doing a deadlift? I dont know of any but havent looked 🤷♂️. Id not restrict folk, but they would complete a return phase training program.
@jackconran8@TaiwanOzPhysio@adamdobson123@AdamMeakins They remain a permanent area of weakness
The forces being put through the disc during a dead lift due to flexion of the spine are huge - less so with direct load of squats
@neilorpen@TaiwanOzPhysio@adamdobson123@AdamMeakins Oh really- What about squatting or is there something specific about the deadlift mechanics? Based on my reading these annular tears heal through right?
@jackconran8@TaiwanOzPhysio@adamdobson123@AdamMeakins Don’t dead lift outside the confines of professional sport programs where risk / reward may be acceptable
Risk of causing a symptomatic tear or disc prolapse even in a sense of MRI changes is high
@jackconran8@adamdobson123 Theres no evidence that shows deadlifts specifically make annulus tears worse that I am aware of, or even cause them!
My advice with all disc issues is to work within their tolerances and be patient!