Jacob Olenick

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Jacob Olenick

@jakeolenick

Same handle in the other place. Jake, interested in: ◽more homes ◾more public transport ◽more democracy ◾bake goods ◽learn languages

NYC🇺🇲 ➡️ London🇬🇧 Katılım Mart 2018
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Jacob Olenick
Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
Another way to phrase 3 and 4 is: Brits are obsessed with counting humans (where each additional human is bad), but refuse to count animals (animals in the abstract are infinitely good). The interplay between 3 and 4 also explains bat tunnels, fish discos, swift bricks, etc
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Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
UK has 4 problems: 1. Pessimism. Better to complain than to hope 2. Aesthetic/ethic ambiguity. As judgemental of bad vibes as of bad heart 3. Visceral fear of "thousands of people" (apathetic to "one person") 4. Visceral love of "one hedgehog" (apathetic to "thousands of shrimp")
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Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
@mayaofspring Reminds me slightly of the fact that Italians now say "il leader" instead of "il duce" (whereas Germans seem fine with "führer", at least in compound words)
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Maya ☁️➡️🌸
Maya ☁️➡️🌸@mayaofspring·
Something funny about the very nationalist candidate saying "Japanese people first", but using the word "fāsuto" from English "first" to say that It is their culture to do that after all I suppose
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Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
@Snowdemoman I urge you (1) to stop fantasising about ways for people to die, and (2) to react to new information by absorbing it, rather than retreating into increasingly bizarre ways of insisting that you were actually right all along.
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Jacob Olenick
Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
@Snowdemoman You are proving my point that red-pressers are freaks obsessed with finding ways to frame their opinion which makes it less freakish. You're in a room with guns. If more than half of you pick up a gun, you can kill everyone who doesn't pick up a gun. Do you pick up a gun?
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Jacob Olenick
Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
I think it is genuinely strange how desperately people are trying to find ways to get red to win. It's not complicated! Blue is a proxy for altruism (modulated by expected risk of death). Red is selfishness, low-trust. Society evolves to be more altruistic, so blue tends to win.
Rob Miles@robertskmiles

Everyone is presented with two buttons, and must choose one: If you press Red, nothing happens. If you press Blue, you die, unless more than half of people also pressed Blue, in which case nothing happens. What do you choose?

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Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
This post is getting tedious levels of attention. Anyway, blue wins. Everybody update your priors and move on
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Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
@DiogenesWorld I don't think you're attempting to take my argument seriously. Red increases the chances that people will die. Blue decreases those chances, but changes WHICH people will die (it puts the button-presser in that category). There's no cost to a mostly-blue world, it's just better.
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Diogenes@DiogenesWorld·
@jakeolenick Red doesn't cause people to die, blue does There are tall buildings everywhere, should we get rid of them lest someone jump off? That's blue button logic
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Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
@DiogenesWorld The red button is the "save myself, increase the risk of other people dying" button Other people exist
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Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
@DiogenesWorld The red button does not cause nothing to happen. It causes other people (not you) to die. If you have 100 people, and you're one of the 51 who pressed red, 49 people die. That's not "nothing happening", that's you shooting one of 51 bullets at 49 people.
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Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
@DiogenesWorld That's not what the red button does. A button that ensures that nothing happens would be a good button
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Diogenes
Diogenes@DiogenesWorld·
@jakeolenick Yes everyone should enter the ultimate death gamble, it’s “altruistic”
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Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
@Woke_Ass_Person Sure, I don't trust the people in charge of the experiment. But my peers are still my peers. If anything, I'd expect us to band together in the face of a common enemy
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WokeAssPerson, Talkin’ WAP WAP WAP
@jakeolenick If I’m subjected to this game, I am definitionally in a low trust environment. A high trust society in no way subjects its people to this horrendous experiment.
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WokeAssPerson, Talkin’ WAP WAP WAP
It’s weird how pushing blue is framed as “altruism” but “desperately hoping as many people as possible push red” is not. I remind you: the game is hideous. The overlords who rule it sadistic. There is no goodness in this game. Blue pushers are convinced they are the goodness.
Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick

I think it is genuinely strange how desperately people are trying to find ways to get red to win. It's not complicated! Blue is a proxy for altruism (modulated by expected risk of death). Red is selfishness, low-trust. Society evolves to be more altruistic, so blue tends to win.

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Jacob Olenick
Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
In this particular poll, they are trying to derive the conclusion "everyone will press a button that kills people if you tell them it does nothing" which I think truly is stupid.
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Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
@robertskmiles The intuitive reading of this framing is that if anyone presses the red button, everyone lives, because the red button causes nothing to happen. Without knowing how many people understand the poll in this default sense, we are learning nothing.
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Rob Miles
Rob Miles@robertskmiles·
Everyone is presented with two buttons, and must choose one: If you press Red, nothing happens. If you press Blue, you die, unless more than half of people also pressed Blue, in which case nothing happens. What do you choose?
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Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
londoncentric.media/i/195251823/tr… Some good news for once! London boroughs are losing powers over venue licensing, e-bike licensing, and large planning applications. Instead (as of today, seemingly) these powers will be the Mayor's
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Maya ☁️➡️🌸@mayaofspring·
Funny how there are two oft-discussed states that could be described as "nanny state that has a lot of social housing and jails people for being racist", yet the sentiment on them in certain parts of Twitter could not be more different
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Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
@mayaofspring Ooh interesting! I didn't know about choice-based council housing in the UK. And is that like regular council housing, i.e. means-tested and sometimes wait-listed? Or is this just the council sort of operating as a private property developer as a side business?
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Maya ☁️➡️🌸
Maya ☁️➡️🌸@mayaofspring·
@jakeolenick More seriously, directionally yes but neither description is 100% accurate - in Singapore new sales are at subsidised prices that you ballot for; the system is rather complex - in UK some councils do offer choice-based lettings (the council newsletter where I lived listed them)
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Jacob Olenick
Jacob Olenick@jakeolenick·
@mayaofspring Haha fair. It is a bit like how the UK has nationalised railways (state owns the rails, private companies run the trains), whereas the US has nationalised railways (private companies own the rails, state runs the trains).
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