The Supreme Court’s debate today: What did people who have been dead for 150 years intend for their law to mean for a modern situation they never conceived could ever occur?
@Tanklytics@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis You take into account every conceivable future outcome when you write laws? Neat! That doesn't have anything to do with the question I was answering, which was did they conceive of automatic weapons. They were aware of repeater guns and the advancement of technology, so yes.
@Tanklytics@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis At no point did I say they were taken into account for any laws, the question was did they conceive of automatic weapons. Yes, given repeater guns existed I think they did conceive of automatic weapons.
@jbryant06@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis If you actually had an argument, you wouldn't continually say that "these things that aren't the same were taken into account" then try to use quantum computing, something no law around technology or computing has taken into account as an example
you're proving MY point...
@Tanklytics@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis The question wasn’t are repeaters automatic weapons, the question was did they conceive of automatic weapons. Given that repeaters existed, yes, they could conceive of automatic weapons.
@jbryant06@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis Repeater guns are not automatic weapons, you're missing the entire point, yet again.
you're adding these stipulations and "well it's close enough" to every hypothetical you lay out, it's quite hilarious and requires you to have hindsight, something lawmakers don't have.
@Tanklytics@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis The question wasn't did they write laws about automatic weapons, if you want to ask that question, that's an excellent question but it's not the one that I answered above repeatedly. Did they conceive of automatic weapons? Yes, repeater guns existed at the time already.
@jbryant06@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis No, you’re adding context that’s not given when the time period is discussed in all of your hypotheticals
You’re expanding on what was known and available at the time of all of these laws (PC laws don’t take quantum computing into account currently, as example)
Actual retard.
@Tanklytics@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis Did they conceive of x? Yes, they had y and z so I think they could conceive of x. X is automatic weapons that could kill dozens, they had weapons that could kill dozens and repeating firearms existed. I said nothing about laws or anything else, you keep bringing in other things.
@Tanklytics@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis Where did I say anything about the founders owning a repeater gun? The question was about what they thought about for the future. I don’t own a quantum computer, but I can conceive of a world where regular people do own quantum computers. The goal posts are staying put 😂
@jbryant06@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis No, you weren't. you added stipulations (like the fact the jets are completely stripped down). you can't just buy an F-47, the same way in the late 1700s you couldn't just buy a repeater rifle like it was nothing.
you're wrong, you move the goalposts to seem correct. womp :(
@Tanklytics@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis I didn’t change the context or the question, I answered it with my opinion and why I think that. My answer being technically correct is because I was actually answering the question. It wasn’t a question of what was used, it was a question about what they could conceive.
@jbryant06@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis If you'd like to completely change the context and change the intended question, go for it!
Your answer is "technically right", but ignores all the realities of what occurred.
Invented =/= used, let alone widely used enough for founding fathers to take them into consideration.
@jbryant06@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis "well the current gun laws don't take into account the F-47, so clearly, those are fine to own as we had planes back then so you'd think they would take into account plane ownership!!"
you fucking troglodyte, you don't even understand your own theory expanded.
@Tanklytics@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis If you want to argue against something I didn't say, go for it! My answer to the question did they conceive that we would have automatic weapons, is yes they would given that repeater guns had already been invented, even though they weren't in widespread use at the time.
@jbryant06@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis with the research done, it wasn't until the civil war until repeater guns were popularized in the US
did they exist? sure! but did the founding fathers think that they were the daily carrys? No!
Meaning your entire logic is piss poor and falls flat on its face.
@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis No, you! But seriously, there were a lot of other repeater gun examples from that time period. I just didn't want to post them all. If you're interested in the history of firearms it's a really solid place to do some research. Have a great rest of your day!
@FBmerchant@Zarya03631822@alan__s66@ClayTravis Maybe go back and read the original question and my original response. Did the founders conceive of automatic weapons that could kill dozens? Yes, they did because they had weapons that could kill dozens at the time and also repeater guns existed at the time.
@TitansFanMike17@alan__s66@ClayTravis Hey Mike, I'm assuming this was posted in good faith and I'll reply to it as such, the question was did they conceive that we would have automatic weapons that could kill dozens in seconds. My answer is yes, because they had weapons at the time that could kill dozens in seconds.
@alan__s66@ClayTravis Yes. Cannons existed, repeating guns existed. With a warship that was legal to own, you as a private citizen could shell an entire town.
@jbryant06@MAC_Arms Date on the right is current, date on the left is expired. This ammo goes on sale a lot. Store must of updated an old sign and forgot the date in the left?
Everyone is talking about a pending ammo shortage. If you haven't learned by now that the time to buy is when ammo is plentiful and cheap, then *if* there are shortages you will either not shoot or spend way too much to do it. So far I've not seen a shortage, have you?
@GHHILL1911 Sorry for this possible knucklehead question, but I am new to handguns. What is 115 grain Ball? What's the ball part? And is it different than the Federal 115 grain fmj brass I use all the time? Still learning the lingo!
Anyone wanna place bets on which state will be the first to strip trans people of their 2A by declaring us mentally incompetent as a class?
“It’s not gun control we just want to keep the mentally ill from being armed, and all queer ppl are ofc definitionally mentally ill”