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Jianggan Li

Jianggan Li

@jianggan

Founder of Momentum Works, author of “Seeing the unseen: behind Chinese tech giants’ global venturing”, part time linguist & atlas worshipper

Singapore Katılım Haziran 2009
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Jianggan Li@jianggan·
We just released the latest ecommerce numbers for Southeast Asia in 2025 - you can see that TikTok/Tokopedia combined was already 2/3 of Shopee’s GMV. That was annual - a snapshot at the end of the year would show an even closer picture.
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Momentum Works
Momentum Works@momentumasia·
@JayC_Investing @GabGrowth 29% on an annual 2025 basis. But TikTok doesn’t see it annually - they track by daily (things move fast and annual reporting is less relevant for them). So the share at Dec 2025/beginning 2026 can be much higher than 29%. @jianggan might be able to share more
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Gab@GabGrowth·
JUST IN: TikTok Shop GMV doubled to $45.6B in 2025 For context, $SE Shopee GMV in 2025 is estimated to be about $125-130B.
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Jianggan Li@jianggan·
@ottavicap @HaydenCapital @pioseem88 @momentumasia We took a brief look at a few data providers. Interestingly Chinese providers all have very similar in overall market GMV but differ more in category mix. I suspect a reason is they have sources within ByteDance to find out the overall GMV.
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Fred Liu
Fred Liu@HaydenCapital·
$SE is down -45% over the past few months. The prevailing bear case seems to hinge on two points: 1) Rising fear of TikTok Shop competition, and 2) Shopee reinvesting more heavily into logistics, capping margins at ~0.7% of GMV this year vs. prior expectations of ~1.2%. The concern is that this spend is defensive - a necessary response to TikTok rather than a choice. But alt data is telling a different story. TikTok Shop’s Southeast Asia GMV growth has slowed materially over the past few quarters - from 70%+ in 2Q25 to ~30%+ by late 2025. That’s only modestly above Shopee’s own growth rate. More notably, TikTok’s relative share vs. Shopee in Indonesia (~50% of regional GMV) has effectively flat-lined over the past year. If this data is directionally right, Shopee’s ~50 bps of reinvestment looks discretionary and offensive -widening the moat - rather than a defensive reaction to competitive pressure. And critically, that implies the margin compression is temporary, not structural. Oh, and both Shopee & Tiktok are raising take-rates. Not usually the sign of a competitor trying to aggressively take share... Curious, what am I missing? Is the -45% drawdown really just “2026 margins down > negative 2026 earnings revisions > stock down,” even if margins are likely to re-expand next year? And Shopee emerges with a wider moat after? The competitive backdrop looks like it’s improving, not deteriorating...
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Jianggan Li
Jianggan Li@jianggan·
My friend, who runs multiple retail businesses, thinks it is easy to hold the fish this way; I think the otter starts from the part where it can eat the fastest - in nature you never know when you will lose the fish, so might as well catch as much while you can.
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Jianggan Li@jianggan·
On a walk we saw this otter eating a fish it just caught. Why does it eat the fish head not the meat first?
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Jianggan Li@jianggan·
Part of the loan book growth inflection is also because certain businesses needed 2 years to get everything ready from regulators (they deal with a lot of regulators in a lot of countries) and partners (e.g. banks doing co-lending to have systems ready to process 1000s of applications at the same time). We will see more product rollouts from Monee moving forwards that have been months if not years in negotiations
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Fred Liu
Fred Liu@HaydenCapital·
Just hammering this home. For simplicity's sake, let's use round numbers for 2025: 1) J&T Order Volume Grows: 75% y/y 2) Tiktok & Other Customers Grows: 40% y/y 3) J&T Grows Market Share from 27% in 2024 > 33% in 2025 (disclosed in the 1H25 Report) 4) Non-platform % of revenue goes from 0% > 10% in 2025. All the data-points line up. Takeaway: It can be true that J&T grew 75% y/y, AND Tiktok is slowing to 40% y/y orders growth (and 30% y/y GMV). - Market narrative of Tiktok competition increasing is likely wrong. - Means that Shopee's recent spend is not a defensive move or coming from a weakened position. - In fact, they're pressing harder, while competition is weak (That's just how they operate. They waited to grow Monee loans, until the digibanks started blowing up. That's why you see an inflection in loan growth 2 years ago. Compare that to when Indo digibank NPLs started blowing up, and you'll see the correlation). Included pictures of the math (thanks ChatGPT). $SE $1519.HK
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More evidence it's just J&T taking share. Rival 3PLs leaving the market. Non-platform volumes are <10% (vs. almost 0 in 2024). So while that's a chunk of the 30% delta vs. TTS order growth, it seems like most of it is share gains.

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pioseem88@pioseem88·
@HaydenCapital Wouldn't J&T Express parcels volume growing 73.6% in Q4 indicate faster TikTok Shop growth? @momentumasia believes it is mostly driven by TTS.
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Jianggan Li@jianggan·
J&T needs and wants to diversify (in SEA) - the challenge is there is nobody else who can give that volume or that growth. Other 3PLs withdraw largely because their costs are higher than J&T’s prices (to a specific customer); and some can’t meet the service level demanded by the specific customer
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Jianggan Li@jianggan·
DDL does a really good job in execution especially in supply chain and operations. Alas - in a game where tech giants like Meituan and Alibaba are fighting against tech-enabled giants like Sam’s Club, selling is probably the best option. thelowdown.momentum.asia/meituan-buying…
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