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Joel John

@joeljohn

Writing - @decentralisedco venture partner - @anagramxyz waiting on @jarapphq to ipo Currently obsessing about tokenisation, agentic payments and institutions

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Joel John
Joel John@joeljohn·
Had a little over 75 in-person meetings last week in Singapore. Crypto, in its current stage, rhymes equal parts with an MLM industry and the future of the web. Here is the distilled, TL:DR version of what I learned in Singapore, mixed with photos as is tradition. 1. Why Events There were 700 side events because it's the easiest way for a CMO to justify the job. In-person events are measured with footfall, instead of on-chain value creation (which is harder). Signaling linkages to others in the industry, helps close deals. Most importantly, free food and booze is the oldest trick in the game. They work. If anything, it's a sign of broken incentives in the industry. The current pipeline for capital looks like this: Fund of funds -> VCs -> Founders - > CMOs -> Night clubs. I think it really highlights what's broken with distribution and incentives. Or its globalisation. Not my monkey, not my circus. 2. Token Comps Tokens being down 70-80% on average has a dual sided impact on employee morale. People feel burnt out, and over-worked. Crypto's original promise was exponential upside, for limited risk. Last year's token performance flipped the promise. It's boundless work, for declining upside. For some ecosystems (like SOL), the story is different due to price action (and focus on community). You can see how this variance in comp affects decision making and morale within teams. Some teams, thanks to where the price is, have a disproportionate edge over others. I think there's a loop - where lower prices, lead to worse off decisions, which in turn leads to worse off decisions. 3. VCs, DPIs and tokens Most VC funds are either raising, or set to raise. It makes me wonder where all the idle capital from a few years went back. The alt-coin sell pressure from the past few quarters are likely funds selling off alts that are vested to produce returned capital before raising a new fund. Will they succeed in raising new funds? Yes. Will that new raised funds go to existing tokens or themes? Probably not. I think a lot of VCs are burnt from the past two years and will (i) suppress valuations or (ii) push for earlier liquidity. You can see this play out with consumer app valuations. Few biters. For the VC model to work - you need multiple tokens, listing at high FDVs, with low floats, to mark-up books, and raise new funds (before vests). That pipeline, relies on eigen, berachain, monad - so there's a lot of eyeballs on it. Unlike last cycle, between perps and OTC, that market has evolved too - so its an interesting time for VC overall. 4. All eyes on consumer One of our own portfolio founders added a million users last quarter. Each day, he's adding another 10-15k users. I don't think it will remain the exception. Consumer apps with founders that are non-token first, will likely blitzscale. The same applies to RWA founders with a fintech first focus. As VCs are token oriented and these founders are outsiders, many of them will remain undervalued (and as pariahs). My honest ask to many of them have been to avoid talking to gatekeepers. I think between MPC wallets, L2s and better on-ramps, we are at the cusp of seeing a new generation of consumer apps that have very little t do with existing token economies. Will they be valued as high? Will they create token returns the same way? Probably not. I think they will need a new class of equity first VCs. Or existing ones will flock to equity, and here's the reason why. 5. Exchanges have reduced listing VC backed bags. This is voodoo-hot air theory. But I think regulatory capture will drastically reduce the number of VC backed tokens that make it to large exchanges (like Binance or Coinbase). You can see versions of this if you look at the number of VC backed tokens making it to exchanges and compare to frequency in past cycles. One theory is that retail capital is not flowing in like it once used to and exchanges have no reason to. The other, is that price discovery in exchanges have been down only - and they are being more picky. Whatever be the case, not being able to mark-up books and raise new funds will have trickle down effects on venture valuations. This is why most funds have a preference of lower valuations (risk premia for illiquidity) or SAFTS (assurance that liquidity will come). I think as listings on exchanges get harder, we will see capital flow through to equity. 6. On token management. A lot of founders seem to be issuing tokens as that is what VCs are backing today. But the same guys will vanish once your FDV is around your series A valuations. If you are a founder - consider hard and strong about issuing tokens. If you do issue a liquid token, IR (or educating markets) about what you do is as important as running the product. There's space emerging for new forms of media that highlights key metrics, and earnings for protocols. This subsection of the market is small today - but as nature of investors focused on liquid markets trend to sophistication and number of tokens that are at low valuations increase, I see more capital flowing towards this segment. 7. The Early adopter-gatekeeper See all these packed events? Talk to most folks attending them, and you'll realise everyone has a clear agenda. Most of the time, its money. Loads of it. And that's fine, its a capitalist economy after all. The problem, is when a subsection has made tremendous wealth by being early and packages the same old thing in new words and continues to do the same things. We somehow presume everything needs a token. Everything needs to be overly complicated. Everything needs millions in burn. The early adopters are rich and can afford to be stupid for years on length. New guys (post 2022 entrants) that haven't made bank, have to lean on efficiency. But in pursuit of efficiency, they seek advice from early adopters, and get lessons on a constant grift. I think this is why our industry struggles to evolve. It rhymes with MLM schemes, because they work the same way. An early adopter wins by virtue of being early. As new entrants arrive, the early adopter continues to win. With each new participant, the amount of return declines. Sooner or later, you will have a desperate large bottom pyramid. If you are in the industry, it helps to wonder - are you desperate, or leading. Are you being efficient, or consuming junk. Just lots of room for introspection there. The way these systems break is when a new entrant ignores the rules and builds a business to scale ignoring the incumbents. My thoughts, prayers and dollars can be behind you if that's you. 8. DePin Data This is specific to data points (like audio, spacial data, map data etc). I think a lot of these will rhyme with P2E as it gives retail a chance to enter the industry and can be packaged like a dream. Spend $50 to make $100 is an easy sell. My concern here is how valuable is this data? My running assumption is valuation fr such data will be at 1000x what they are actually worth. They will be great trades (and worth playing on liquid side) - but the long-tail of data accumulators will be in for a rude awakening. Much of that sector rhymes with gaming guilds at this point. I know this is a sceptical take, but I'm putting it out there for healthy discourse on the value of the data. Some of it will be tremendously valuable, and much of it will be useless. Kind of like the long-tail of BS. Which leads me to my final point. 9. The Long-tail of BS. Every category initially has few players that are pioneers. They attract high valuations. Which in turn accrues talent building in the same category. If you are imitating a business, you are likely in the long-tail of BS category. It works if you have niche or geo-specific moats, but odds are quite low you have those moats. This applies to service providers (like lawyers) as much as it applies to product categories (like GambleFi or Web3 social). The long-tail of BS happens because there's more VCs than thoughtful builders in the room. The long-tail of BS cannot be avoided. It is a thing. It is a beast to be acknowledged. As the industry grows, the long-tail of BS will grow even longer. You can see it in the booths with no product. In the events with no conversations. In the KOL rounds with financial shenanigans. In the gigantic face of a founder with no product slapped on an event entrance. The long tail of BS is everywhere. I think it can't be tamed. It can't be cut. It only has to be acknowledged and waded through. The reason why the long-tail of BS exists (currently) is because founders (and talent) that can meaningfully produce impact are likely in other sectors (like AI). Even funds that deploy at scale, see this tday. There is an evident decline in the quality of individuals. But this is what retail adoption looks like. As the sector scales - it brings with it everything that society is. The good, the bad, the ugly - and well, even FTX. You just need to grow smarter as the long-tail of BS takes over. A lot of the systemic challenges (and opportunities) that exist in crypto are dependent on price. As the fed cuts rates, much of what I said will change. We are quite probably at the early stages of a new cycle. I am not as bearish - but there's a healthy amount of skeptical cynicism in me. We have work to do.
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Joel John@joeljohn·
I don't think the market has entirely priced in what happens when a technology helps applications turn to platforms. The web has always scaled, with the emergence of platforms. We saw this with search (google), social networks (Meta), mobile (android/iOS) and work (slack)
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𝗵𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿
@joeljohn @phantom @fomo I see, thanks for the context! I’m really just saying it seems like a net positive to add support for a chain that people would’ve 1000% used I don’t see any downside to it for them
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𝗵𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿
genuine q why hasn’t @phantom added support for robinhood chain? feels like a missed opportunity esp when you consider competition like @fomo listed it almost immediately
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Joel John
Joel John@joeljohn·
There are two aspects of fintech, I am deeply obsessed with these days 1. AI / LLM models structuring, organising and creating new market opportunities in unorganised sectors. Any sector with a heavy element of human interaction - like insurance sales, will be replaced by bots that can speak in geo-local linguistics, structure data faster and be more accessible than most human driven processes. These firms won't replace humans but suppress the unit amount of time people spend on calls, and structuring data. I've seen early versions of this being built for construction, legal and insurance in the US. But I think the net impact and value unlock in emerging markets is much higher. 2. Tokenisation - I think traditionally crypto was seen suspiciously, for good reason in the valley. Tokenisation translates the language of crypto, and makes it applicable/relevant to the fintech bros. Robinhood chain put a rocket behind the technology and drove it across the chasm. There used to be career risks involved for fund managers or product managers to embrace tokens. But tokenisation - no longer bears that risk. Brian Chesky talking about it, is the proverbial sign of the end days for crypto as we know it. The new one, will grow uninhibited, and create new opportunities for founders that have been away from the token grifting, community nonsense game. These will be founders who build custom networks on mature stacks (Arbitrum most mature, then OP, then zk, then starknet) to build their products. Solana is the only open-access, non-customised network here (and i havent seen an l2 on it scale) yet -so we will have this point in time (for a brief while) where Solana's composability competes with the customised EVM networks. I know its a bear market - and times are rough for everyone, but the convergence of these technologies do point to a period where new products and market opportunities unlock. I always wondered what it would have been like to be around when mobile devices took over. In my mind, this is that point in time. I also think the nature of founders that will "win" in this next cycle will be distinctly different because distribution, product and monetisation are distinctly different games from "alignment" ones you play with non-profit foundations. I'm here for the competition. I'm here to see bureaucracies of all kinds die.
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Joel John@joeljohn·
@shriyalola @NotionHQ Try swapping the model it uses (from auto to claude 4.8) - usually worked for me. Agree though
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shriya@shriyalola·
@NotionHQ capitalization and inline spell check 🙏 would be so boss
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Joel John@joeljohn·
Its not, its a great decision. They embedded hyperliquid after the hard problem of liquidity and scale was solved for on the perp dex. Phantom benefitted heavily from Hyperliquid because builder codes filled the gap swap revenue from from solana's meme ecosystem. So it was survival. Fwiw - Robinhood chain rn has enough velocity to get on equal footing, function of time. WRT Privy - on Hyperliquid, the e-mail sign on flow was def useful for a lot of users who didnt have wallets on mobile and a ton of users trade from mobile.
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𝗵𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿
Ah I see I wouldn’t associate hyperliquid with privy tbh Yeah with MM we saw how they added SOL and I think even Bitcoin at some point? Which I think is fair But Phantom, as one of crypto’s “preferred” wallets that already has support for Base, Polygon, Sui, Monad, and HyperEVM to stop short of Robinhood Chain seems very odd and imo a terrible business decision Customers want relevant features, not alignment politics But hey, maybe I’m the dumb one
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Joel John@joeljohn·
an incumbent reaches scale using existing technology, but struggles to embrace the new one because its existing business lines rely on alignment with a certain perception/chain fomo doesn't have that baggage. Happens with every new chain Ethereum - metamask solana - phantom Hyperliquid - privy
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buffalu@buffalu__·
JIP-38 would commit to 100% buy and burn of $JTO for at least one year
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Joel John@joeljohn·
I think its a bit different story Base' integration with Coinbase yielded no real-world activity. It was FriendTech that scaled activity there. Robinhood's core userbase are meme-driven, and its CEO is willing to stand on the line for it - we'll see a diff ecosystem there Culture as a wedge basically x.com/Decentralisedc…
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Kiran
Kiran@neuroswish·
please stop building personal assistants. the average person gets 3 emails a day and one meeting which usually gets canceled. they book 2 flights a year. you don't need to summarize the weather for them as they simply step outside to see if it's chilly. please stop
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Joel John@joeljohn·
@francescoweb3 its funny because 4.5mil of this is robinhood so.. willing to bet robinhood will eat this in-house over time
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Joel John@joeljohn·
There is no conservative law in the universe that suggests the extent of winning is directly proportional to suffering. Past a point, suffering too is subject to diminishing marginal utility.
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strengthispeace
strengthispeace@ignoraceisfree·
@joeljohn Define suffering and also define universal law in that context (if you so wish)
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jayesh
jayesh@0xjayeshyadav·
What's the dumbest DeFi primitive?
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Paul Graham
Paul Graham@paulg·
Something I told 14 yo: People are going to stop reading books. I wish this wasn't so, but I fear it is. The silver lining in this cloud is that if you're one of the few people who still read, you'll have a huge advantage over everyone else.
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Joel John@joeljohn·
@bas3dp0tat6 He was fairly vocal of drug addiction from his younger days and particularly vulnerable in his personal life. You’ve simplified things a bit too much here without nuance on what made the man special. May want to read his book / see the Netflix series on him.
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basedpotato@bas3dp0tat6·
i think ennui kills, and the biggest proof of this is Anthony Bourdain. Bro spent all his life travelling eating and doing the coolest shit and he just ended up blowing his brains out. As a human you are meant to pick a struggle and keep at it until you conquer it and time conquers you. It’s that simple
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Joel John@joeljohn·
@varadh @shikhars_ @zachtratar Only if I get notion credits 😤 I love the product and spend a ton of time in it Have some views on how the agentic flows can be tweaked for creative work (Jk - I’ll send notes on 3 via DM when back at desk)
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Varadh Jain
Varadh Jain@varadh·
@joeljohn @shikhars_ 1. we're working on it 2. examples would be helpful here 3. ooh, this is top of mind. if you can walk through with me an example of a transcript -> the summary -> and what docs should it have pulled context from to write a better one, that'd be gold! cc: @zachtratar
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Shikhar@shikhars_·
Is there anything other than Granola that creates a good meeting summary? Tried Notion and Littlebird (to avoid using a separate app for meetings) but both created a terrible meeting summary.
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