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@sockpuppet1979 @mattyglesias She was also a spartan princess, which is important to the story. Alexander the Great was fathered by snake. When he was born a goddess oversaw his birth while her temple burned. What’s your point?

@justderington @mattyglesias Helen of Troy’s “heritage” is that she was supposedly the daughter of a god disguised as a swan and she hatched from an egg. You people are insane snowflakes.

These are all biopics about historical figures whose racial identity is central to the story. By the same token, you couldn’t cast a black actor to play De Klerk in a Mandela movie.

@mimodow93 @LauraRbnsn I won’t see it because it’s Nolan’s odyssey. Had he made Homer’s odyssey, I’d be all in.

@justderington @LauraRbnsn This has been way too long to dedicate to this discussion. But the real and only reason that matters is because she fit what Nolan wanted from his movie. This is Nolan’s Odyssey and he chose her. Judge it after you see it. (But also, she’s as “book-accurate” as Kruger in Troy)

There are people, right now, who think that The Odyssey had to have a racial minority in the main cast in order to be nominated for an Oscar. They literally think that. A normal person cannot grasp how stupid these people are. You'd have to eat so much lead.

@mimodow93 @LauraRbnsn Very well could be. Haven’t seen it. Not knocking her as an actor or a person, she probably is great.

@LauraRbnsn @justderington Amazing! Even if you don’t like the movie (I did!), you have to admit it’s an incredible performance

@LauraRbnsn @mimodow93 Why are you acting as though those are the only options - Lupita or a ghetto hillbilly? Why not a beautiful woman who fits the description of the ancient Greek writers?

@mimodow93 @justderington Using fabric bindings on baby girls to encourage small chests and large hips is pretty well attested. So sure, make Helen a white lady with a few missing teeth, A cup breasts, an enormous ass, big belly, and a furry vulva. The boys will LOVE it.

@ACZT2 @LauraRbnsn We can believe what the Ancient Greeks tell was the reason for the war or not, either way, we should be respectful of their story when telling it. Or tell a different story.

@justderington @LauraRbnsn I don’t think you’re thinking critically. If there is no historical evidence that a fictional character existed, we can say that was a fictional character. If there is evidence that they actually did exist, then we can no longer say that. Hence, Alexander vs Helen.

@ACZT2 @LauraRbnsn The problem is 3000 years is a long time. We know the Greeks believed she existed. We’re almost certain the city existed. We’re fairly sure a war took place during the timeframe Homer says it did. This war was started for a reason.

@mimodow93 @LauraRbnsn Agree with 1 and 2, though there is evidence the story is based on actual events. 3) per ethnicity and race are absolutely important to the Trojan war. 4) maybe she is, I had never heard of her.

@justderington @LauraRbnsn Because 1) it’s his movie and he has a vision, 2) the source material is both a fantasy and most people have never read it, 3) the race of the character is literally unimportant, and 4) she’s a fantastic actor.

@ACZT2 @LauraRbnsn If Huck Finn and Superman last another 3000 years, people are free to speculate. Helen of troy lasted because the Greeks believed the story and thought it important enough to save for thousands of years. I don’t think Superman will pass that test.

@justderington @LauraRbnsn Why can’t Huck Finn and Superman be real too by that logic?

@mimodow93 @LauraRbnsn Ok. Why do you think he ignore source material to cast this person as Helen?

@justderington @LauraRbnsn Nolan is working with the *same* studio as in Oppenheimer (Universal). They already qualify. They already meet 2 of the 4. Nolan has *no* need to make any decisions on this basis.

@LauraRbnsn @ACZT2 Correct. That belief doesn’t disprove the existence of Helen. Most archeologists today believe Troy existed and the Trojan war is rooted in a historical event. Why can’t Helen also exist?

@justderington @ACZT2 The Greeks believed Zeus was real too

@ACZT2 @LauraRbnsn It is. Helen was supposed to have existed 3300 years ago. Plenty of time for mythology to grow and evidence of her existence disappear. Though there is evidence troy existed. The Greeks believed she was real.

@justderington @LauraRbnsn 400 years is a long time

@jacobnharris @amberrebekah Odysseus was on his way home from a war. A war waged to bring a spartan princess home

@justderington @amberrebekah her ethnicity is absolutely not the “catalyst for the story”. you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. the catalyst for the odyssey is odysseus spending twenty years getting thrown into increasingly shitty situations while trying to get home to his wife and son.

@jacobnharris @amberrebekah You’re right. Other than her ethnicity being the catalyst for the story, it doesn’t matter. And fidelity to source material. Other than those things, it doesn’t matter.

@justderington @amberrebekah of course casting matters. as relates to performance. nothing about the fictional character helen of troy requires her to be white to accomplish the essence of the character. you’re either a poor troll or unable to wrap your mind around this simple concept.

@ACZT2 @LauraRbnsn How long does it take to elevate a real person to a mythological character? The Trojan war was supposed to have happened about 800 to 1000 years before Alexander. Plutarch mythologized Alexander less than 400 years after his death.

@justderington @LauraRbnsn Did they? It seems like, on the contrary, Alexander was elevated to mythical status while Helen of Troy didn’t need to be since she already was a mythological character.

@jacobnharris @amberrebekah So you agree that casting does matter when telling a story, maybe impacts how believable a story is?

@justderington @amberrebekah probably not. not at all comparable to casting lupita as helen of troy. though it is telling that your first comparison to lupita as helen is “what about if a fat guy was cast as a real famous woman?”

@ACZT2 @LauraRbnsn Again, no one is arguing whether Alexander was real. I’m saying mythology surrounds him and Helen. The mythology alone doesn’t process she doesn’t exist. We have no evidence she existed, but the Ancient Greeks believed and acted as though she did.

@justderington @LauraRbnsn Google is your friend

@LauraRbnsn @mimodow93 One Lupita fulfills standard A. Do you know if the female cast makes up 30%? I’m assuming if you did, you wouldn’t have to pretend a single woman would suffice.

@justderington @mimodow93 Penelope, Helen, Circe, Calypso- were you under the impression that they would have otherwise been played by dudes? Nolan also already got there with his crew. He has a female editor. Hair makes ajd costumes are being done by women. That fulfills category B. Lupita makes no

@amberrebekah @jacobnharris Yes, sadly. I’ll give you a better one. Do you think wayne knight would be a good casting choice to play Sabrina carpenter in a biopic?

@justderington @jacobnharris John Candy is dead 💀

@LauraRbnsn @mimodow93 Well excuse me, little miss bookworm. You missed the part that says women must make up 30%. Casting one character as female doesn’t cut it. Standard A1 only requires one black lead or supporting actor. Swing and a miss…

@justderington @mimodow93 Well I can read and I can see the diversity requirement was already met by virtue of casting a woman as Helen. She could be white and it would make no difference. You guys should try reading, it is super cool