King Kaye

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King Kaye

King Kaye

@kayesowhat

i like tech and eggs

Katılım Haziran 2026
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King Kaye
King Kaye@kayesowhat·
@RatOrthodox Unsolicited advice: I thought this was random drama until I read the article and saw it also referenced and quoted you, and Holly’s part was given a subtitle about divorce. It’s unfair this keeps getting dropped on your plate. Perhaps share that context rather than her photo?
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Brangus🔍⏹️
Brangus🔍⏹️@RatOrthodox·
Also for the record, it keeps happening that journalists call me and ask me to talk to me about my divorce because Holly spoke to them about my divorce. When they do this, I reply but I would not by default speak to journalists about my divorce.
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Brangus🔍⏹️
Brangus🔍⏹️@RatOrthodox·
For the record, when I met Sam Kirchner I was married to Holly Elmore, Holly and I got into an intense many day fight because I thought he seemed unhinged and unthoughtful. I wanted her to not work with him. Holly thought he was great and was very angry at me for being judgmental
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Trinley Goldenberg
Trinley Goldenberg@mattgoldenberg·
@ilex_ulmus i do like the principled stand but it feels weird when you're elsewhere making mean-spirited fat jokes on my timeline
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Holly ⏸️ Elmore
Holly ⏸️ Elmore@ilex_ulmus·
I'm extending a professional policy into personal life. I bounce/block for fucky screennames. Yesterday, I shared a funny meme that turned out to be from "fr0ttagec0re" or something. And I did not like how that felt seeing this name in a text I sent to my family. So why do I like it ever? I don't. I'd just gotten used to crass internet culture. Feels like I got used to hanging out in nasty graffitied bathrooms and I realized I can just not go there. That just somehow became the scene. But I don't and never have given a shit who I'm supposed to like or talk to. The block button is the paintbrush with which I draw my own world 😌
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King Kaye
King Kaye@kayesowhat·
Holly Elmore’s social skills leave much to be desired (not mean just very autistic) but her heart is in the right place and it’s obvious she’s a good person who people belittle bc she’s a woman. (She does need serious social etiquette though even if her brazenness is admirable)
Alec Harris@alec_harris_x

Recent Holly Elmore doom debates episode re-endeared me to Holly a bit in spite of her recent attack on Aella... There is a frame I am very sympathetic to in which it's almost like Holly is the only sane person in the room

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claudia !
claudia !@letclaudiatweet·
this wasn’t addressed to me but I’ll respond anyway, fuck it, I’m in this I was originally more sympathetic to you because your entire situation was so pitiful, your husband behaving like that and then publicly sleeping with her is public humiliation. that’s absolutely psychosis-inducing, a bit of insane behavior is somewhat understandable but I’ll take you seriously enough to say something besides “yeah she was going fucking insane of course she’s acting like this” do you understand what’s wrong here. if the honest goal of this was to smooth things over, you did not succeed. if the hidden goal was reputational violence, you also did not succeed, you punched yourself in the face. 1. she is mad at you for hurtful things you said about her when she feels she did nothing wrong 2. approximately one vague snippet of the “apology” is even tangentially taking real personal responsibility for that 3. a large chunk is implying “i was hurting soooo bad. so it was defensible.” 4. another large chunk is defaming the guy. sure, probably valid, and certainly strategically to your advantage… but without evidence, it unfortunately reads like a weak and motivated claim to both an outside observer with no context, and also clearly to some people that know him 5. point 4 reads as an attempt to sour-grapes her. your implicit goal is “if i can’t have him, neither can you.” …it’s giving “hung up on your ex”… all this said. why should aella want to agree to this bid for empathy? the apology is self-centered, mainly a bid for sympathy and a warning she has no reason to take seriously, not taking accountability for the wrongdoing. her perception is supposedly the reality you are trying to change, if she were the actual target of this message. but you have enough mutual friends that i suspect the public format was not that, rather a bid for public sympathy, as well as an attempt to humiliate them both and hurt a rival organization. okay fair tbh, those are both things I’d want too if i were in your shoes! this was violence disguised as repair. but it was very clumsy and transparent to many readers. so… if we aren’t talking about real repair, what are we talking about? the fundamental question for you is why should they both be forced (by and in front of the public or other key observers) to acquiesce to your framing of events? bringing “you stole my husband” to the public square has limited impact on both of their reputations. clearly many people know you were married, he has no shame about publicly acting like a simp, and she has no shame about essaying about sleeping with husbands in sexless marriages. so why would public shaming do anything in your favor? it rolls off both of them, at best; at worst, all publicity is good publicity, or they impugn your framing and it works. (you unfortunately landed all three of these i think) mainly you have sabotaged yourself here, by publicizing the fact that you had this drama in the first place… not a win if you want to paint yourself as a serious person with serious aims.
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Dilan Esper
Dilan Esper@dilanesper·
Divorce can be very painful-- I get that-- but some people would really benefit from just moving on and thinking about the ex-spouse as little as possible after a divorce. Because this is really unhealthy.
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Nate Soares ⏹️
Nate Soares ⏹️@So8res·
Leadership at Google DM, Anthropic, OpenAI, and xAI have all said they'd prefer the whole world slow down AI. There's still a ways to go — wikipedia puts more effort into convincing you to give $2 than AIcos put into alerting the world to the danger of ASI — but it's a start.
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Lucid™
Lucid™@cammakingminds·
I wish someone that cares about Holly would stop her from publicly crashing out. She has been visibly spiraling for months and this only goes one way 🤷🏽
Holly ⏸️ Elmore@ilex_ulmus

Dear @Aella_Girl, I’ve heard a lot of people seeming to think that I reject you wholesale, or that I don’t approve of you for being a sex worker. I want to set the record straight about why I do not want to work with you and have made certain comments, and offer the chance for a dialogue if you want. I also want to apologize. I don’t like you because of how my ex-husband, Ronny Fernandez, your plzdontkillus cofounder, would make sexual and romantic bids at you in front of me (presumably also in private) while we were in a monogamous relationship. This was his fault, and it contributed to our divorce, but because it caused me to resent you as well, I came to you about it, hoping to give you a chance to show you weren’t down with it. You were cold to me, dismissing my concerns with “he’s not my type.” At that point I realized we were not friends. It wasn’t your responsibility to stop him, but your priority was him and my feelings weren’t part of the equation. When you’re in an abusive relationship, it’s easy to feel more angry and betrayed at the people around you than at the abuser. I felt angry at you and many others from the rationalist community, as well as general rationalist culture, for supporting him. It’s not your fault that I was in an abusive relationship. It was his fault. Even though I think my feelings are valid, especially when you opted not to help me when I reached out, I recognize that I’m transferring anger onto you that really belongs to him. I saw you once say that I judged you for being a sex worker. I think you were remembering a time when I argued that, because Ronny had your nudes, you didn’t just have a platonic relationship. I have also critiqued the blurred line between your sex work and your intellectual content, where engaging with you without sex is still a form of flirtation and erotic connection, for a similar reason. My issue has never been with the sexuality. It had to do with how you and our mutual friends were insisting that I had no recourse against my partner cheating on me— that I was in the wrong for feeling jealous. Perhaps you regret this, or would regret this now that you know how I felt. It would make a big difference to me if you did. There are also subject matter disagreements I have with you on AI Safety work, and I wrote a lot of them up, but upon introspection I think that discussion would be pretty collegial if I saw you have empathy for a wound in me that’s still healing. The breach of trust was really a personal thing. I’m also writing to share my concern about your current relationship with Ronny. Ronny lovebombs you epically on main, and I think that could lead to epic devaluation and exploitation if you’re not careful. I have wondered if he’s pushed you to do and share more and more extreme things when I see him seeming to get dividends. I saw him negging you and undercutting you even when he and I were together, and he’s good at portraying that destruction of self-esteem as rationalist introspective virtue and fucky intimacy. No matter how annoyed I may feel at you, I would never want you to go through what he did to me. I’m going to unblock you, and you can DM or reply if you wish. Holly

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