


Lorenzo
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If you had to live in one of the regions, which would you choose?



@benglickenhaus are you literally so stupid that you don’t understand the difference between an LLM and LLM that has been supplemented with other things such as tools and harnesses? or are you just pretending? blocking for intellectually dishonesty or stupidity but i can’t tell which.



There are essentially two main options to remedy this: 1. Find ways to perform active inference, so that the model adapts its learned program in contact with a new data distribution at test time. Would likely lead to some meaningful progress, but it isn't the ultimate solution, more of an incremental improvement. 2. Change the training mechanism to something more robust than SGD, such as the MDL principle. This would pretty much require moving away from deep learning (curve fitting) altogether and embracing discrete program search instead (which I have advocated for many years as a way to tackle reasoning problems...)

To address the limits of deep learning and avoid stalling, the field of AI started by applying patch (1), which started being demoed 9 months later in December 2024 and has now become completely ubiquitous. However, long term, it is simply inevitable that AI will move to patch (2).



@fchollet That's undisputed, but the argument of the skepticals was a bit different: that even in the local space represented by the training set, LLMs could not interpolate on the realm of a deeply inferred representation, just on a shallow almost-already-seen one (parrot model).


Worth noting that to this day, base LLMs (no test time compute) *still* perform poorly on the ARC 1 benchmark from 2019 (on unseen tasks) despite continued massive scaling (~100,000x since 2019). We can say that without the switch to the test-time compute paradigm, AI would still not be capable of the kind of advanced reasoning that sota systems display today. Scaling the single-pass, static, next-token prediction paradigm of the GPT-2 through GPT-4 era was running into a capability asymptote. To bypass this plateau, test-time adaptation was a necessary evolutionary step.


An internal version of Astra, @OpenAI’s next major model family, solved 10 major open problems in mathematics, quantum complexity, and theoretical computer science. We believe it will be a major step for scientific reasoning. openai.com/index/ten-adva…
