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@NondescriptRed @PunishedCommie nah cuz he didnt really deny that it is nationalism. outright pointed out the contradiction between his communism and his nationalism for ireland
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@PunishedCommie He did and it was basically just this 😭
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@EcoTechBro he does not speak for us btw we dont like it when white people say the n word either
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@AsianDawn4 Here in Africa, “Nigga” isn’t anything serious lol. Matter of fact, I refer to my friends as my Niggas! Truth is, it doesn’t change who we are or going to be. Most of us are even smarter than these people. This shouldn’t be a thing anymore in my humble opinion.
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@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik I am not a Bordigist. Regardless, it's not like any tendency has accomplished anything of note, so that's a lazy argument.
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@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik I've wasted too much of my time, I forgot, there's a reason why no Bordigists have genuinely made any impact in the Communist movement, they're sectarian and backwards.
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@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik I stated I could not provide a singular quote that sums up all of his beliefs on a particular matter. It is usually impossible do this for any theorist, especially with the limited space provided by Twitter.
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@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik You stated that you could not quote bordiga because it would betray his beliefs
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@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik you literally asked me for quotes, which i provided. when i did offer context, you refused. im starting to think you're just a dishonest person or AI.
i think you should try to educate yourself on things before you criticise them. it is what marxists do.
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@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner You can slander me but you have yet to articulate any response in defense of Bordiga only vague responses and quotes with no context. Perhaps you should try reading Lenin and Marx more than you worship failed dogma.
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@NondescriptRed nah bro spontex recognises that hes a nationalist he just doesnt care and is still anti-nationalist
lion behaviour
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@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner i dont think i can be the one said to lack any knowledge. you are speaking on something you havent read even the slightest bit on. its evident from what you've said so far.
but then i must ask you, what is your "genuine idea" for the economic apparatus of a communist society?
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You simply lack any sort of knowledge of the person you claim to follow, you can make excuses but to simply put it: Bordiga is the Proudhon of for the youth of this era. He's popular, a counter-culture to counter-culture, but the adherents have no genuine idea on how to form an economic apparatus to achieve a post-scarcity society.
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@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner "The speakers of the Communist Party developed the concrete principles which the party supports in favor of the united front; at the same time they openly criticized the other parties and everywhere met with huge success."
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@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner bordiga does not argue against united fronts
marxists.org/archive/bordig…
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@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner what does this even mean? communists shouldnt ascribe forms to revolutions that are yet to take place, if that is the question you are asking.
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@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner Do you believe that all communists should be absent from the discussions of economic systems?
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@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner if you want to learn about bordiga, you have to read bordiga and those who followed him. otherwise anything you say about him will be based in ignorance. if that is the kind of person you are, i dont think any fruit can be derived from this discussion
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@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner i have just given you reasons why that is impossible. no one quote can sum up bordiga's thoughts on the matter. it would be like using a quote from what is to be done to summarise all of lenin's thoughts on the party form. that would be an injustice to lenin
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@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner is it not trotsky who denounced stalin's popular frontism in the 1930s? since when has it been debatable among the non-stalinists that the proletariat cannot organise with the bourgeoisie?
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@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner And how did that work out? We have to be pragmatic here.
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@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner these are practical, not theoretical, questions. they can only be answered with practical activity, and bordiga did write on that in 1919, at the height of the bienna rossa, in the text i linked.
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@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner How is that to be achieved? Do you think that getting to this management is simply done? You need a transitional phase, you need economic incentives and produce institutions that operate parallel to commodity production to make it obsolete
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@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner struggle. the workers struggle is not static; it constantly changing, hence any text on the matter must take this into account. if i provided one quote, it would be to quote bordiga only on a specific period in the workers struggle, which would not do him justice
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@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner the only sufficient "quote" i can provide is origin and function of the party-form, written by camatte under his tutelage. or for a shorter text, party and class + party and class action.
bordiga maintained that the actions of the party corresponds to the state of the workers
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