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Mat Dryhurst
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Mat Dryhurst
@matdryhurst
Creator w/ @hollyherndon
Berlin, Germany Katılım Haziran 2008
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@AndrewCurran_ meanwhile at the treasury (who set economic agenda)
x.com/RachelReevesMP…
Rachel Reeves@RachelReevesMP
This government will make the UK the best place in the world to start, scale and grow AI companies.
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The UK government has changed its position on allowing AI to train on copyrighted works and now no longer supports allowing training with an opt-out option. The government 'no longer has a preferred option' for what to do next, and has committed to no new plan.
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@bc_butler I don’t think the intended audience know the difference
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@matdryhurst Yeah, deeply stupid, especially considering every AI company will tell you those deals are not licenses for training, they're licenses for more, better access to data plus the ability to generate outputs that are in excess of fair use.
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His argument is that the fair use case is bogus as AI companies have created licensing deals with Disney etc “why pay when it’s fair use?”
Which of course doesn’t factor trademark laws, strategic partnerships or all other manner of reasons those deals exist other than the pre-training data fair use question
Really sloppy reasoning but no doubt a crowd pleaser
TechCrunch@TechCrunch
Patreon CEO calls AI companies’ fair use argument ‘bogus,’ says creators should be paid techcrunch.com/2026/03/18/pat…
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@d_pain_ It’s not touting, it’s already in process
The sheepishness on the copyright report is because a primary consideration is courting ai business
Those businesses did not move to the uk to not be able to do their job, whatever one thinks of her in particular
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@matdryhurst She's an awful politician touting a dreadful, thoughtless policy
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So, in summary, the UK report on AI and copyright says "🤷♂️"
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/69ba6922…
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@ednewtonrex the treasury, the day before the report
x.com/RachelReevesMP…
Rachel Reeves@RachelReevesMP
This government will make the UK the best place in the world to start, scale and grow AI companies.
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I have indeed and have done a lot of work on human oral traditions /group song etc
We actually agree on the contextual layer here, no question
But that is a separate question to the ability to generate new sounding stuff from an abstractly large corpus of old stuff, which was his point
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@matdryhurst sorry but have you ever been to New Orleans? do you know what oral and rhythmic traditions are? it is not "interpolation" it is literally craft/lyricism passed down through human bodies for generations... much more complex and quite antithetical to calculators
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@cafe_pinto_ Cute the press eventually chose to write about this
Mat Dryhurst@matdryhurst
Big, and goes even further than I expected Judge determines the use of books for model training is transformative and constitutes fair use so long as outputs are not infringing Case is going to trial over the use of pirated books, which is obviously illegal and expected
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@cafe_pinto_ Ah a contextual cultural reading of features and affectations
This only works if you assume context and emotion disappears moving forward. I don’t believe that to be the case.
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@matdryhurst it's a result of the human interpretation of suffering and community & tools across generations — from latin america, africa, france, usa, cuba etc... — all converging in the Misisippi Delta post reconstruction... it is not a random calculation of variables
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They clearly didn’t read the same report I did
The report said the government now has no preference, having prior had the preference of a copyright exception with opt-out
That could just as well mean we see a copyright exception with no means to opt-out, just as the treasury today announces a clear statement inviting every major AI lab to open offices in the UK
NME@NME
UK music industry responds to new government action preventing AI firms from using work without permission – but more needs to be done The "worst possible outcome" has been avoided, but there's still some distance to go in protecting artists' "voice, likeness and identity", say campaigners @FeaturedArtists @UK_Music @IvorsAcademy @DUALIPA @eltonjohnofficial nme.com/news/music/uk-…
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Well the initial hypothetical was made by him, and my point was to say that is a leading logic that says nothing of the emergent capabilities of a human using a model
Rock and roll is of course something you could manifest from interpolating between prior features (blues/gospel/r&b etc)
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@matdryhurst too many hypotheticals "If musicians had all the tools of the 20th century prior to 1960 then humans using a model trained on that era could indeed come up with those sounds"
Rock and roll, to take an example, is not a "calculation" or a product of intelligence...
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@cafe_pinto_ In fairness my phone posted two responses this is the thread
Mat Dryhurst@matdryhurst
I had to watch the Jack Conte talk as I find him a fascinating figure. He has that YouTuber preacher affectation where it sounds like he is crying and excited simultaneously In fairness he attempts to qualify AI as something he is interested in and points out that early rote usage of film cameras, recording studios and synths was initially protested before great artists found out new ways to use the new medium
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@cafe_pinto_ I'd read the whole thing to respond to the point in context
The large majority of what people think of when they hear "AI" has little bearing on what I think of when I think of AI. As to the regurgitation point, I offer you the chance to read the whole thread.
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@matdryhurst the problem mat is the large majority of what people think of when they hear "AI" and what they experience is explicitly grounded on surveillance, targeting algorithms, and the explicit theft and regurgitation of cognitive, emotional, and spiritual labor from past culture
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In a way the fawning enthusiastic theater kid mash ups of YouTubers beating the algorithm by putting the words “Daft punk” and “Michael Jackson” in their video titles was perhaps the era defining art of the past two decades
It is damning that now the AI data question asks us to find a price for the cultural value of that work beyond just being generic tokens to train on, the answer is close to zero
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That is the more painful but more insightful story - so many people were let down by the promises of that era that never panned out, and AI is exposing their fragility.
To his credit I agree with him that the parasocial dynamics that lead for people to pay to support friends in making whatever they are making will not disappear, but to invoke era defining experimental art is to invite questions of how little of it was delivered as promised by the excited crying avatars of the attention economy
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I had to watch the Jack Conte talk as I find him a fascinating figure. He has that YouTuber preacher affectation where it sounds like he is crying and excited simultaneously
In fairness he attempts to qualify AI as something he is interested in and points out that early rote usage of film cameras, recording studios and synths was initially protested before great artists found out new ways to use the new medium
Mat Dryhurst@matdryhurst
His argument is that the fair use case is bogus as AI companies have created licensing deals with Disney etc “why pay when it’s fair use?” Which of course doesn’t factor trademark laws, strategic partnerships or all other manner of reasons those deals exist other than the pre-training data fair use question Really sloppy reasoning but no doubt a crowd pleaser
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@matdryhurst i’d be curious how he'd advise creators to 'win' whose work is already inside these models.
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