menace
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Guys... I take back everything I have ever said. I am a terrible programmer.
My game is spending 63% of its time in mouse entries map setting / getting...
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"In Java, you decide to write bugs. They don't just happen to you".
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Lol, not even Rust would dare.
ThePrimeagen@ThePrimeagen
@antoniosarosi No one ever looked at Java and thought this is better than C
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@menace_dp are there people writing impure functions in ocaml , fsharp? i cant imagine.
i dont think i ever wrote a single function that has side effects in past 30 years. in wolfram lang, lisp, even all my perl code.
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i was always an impractical purist.
haskell grasped my heart since 1990s. by its purity claim and lazy eval and 'infinite list'.
but it was a mistake common in youth.
ocaml, now fsharp, or julia, is far better than haskell.
Xah Lee@xah_lee
my attempt at haskell. 2005. that went nowhere.
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If you're an actual "eNgiNeEr" and not a logic to keyboard translator you still have some leeway until AGI automates you.
Problem is a lot of people writing code think they're "engineers" because they can tell the OS to send JSON over TCP.
Ray Zhu@rayzhudev
being a software engineer is the equivalent of being a taxi driver. automation is just around the corner but you need the money and you don’t know what else you could do
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@menace_dp @d0m96 But you can, and while it's difficult for some things, I believe you can often minimize the surface area you need unsafe rust for.
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NO ONE and I mean NO ONE maintains docs anymore
They asks the Slot machine to look at the slop and generate a MD file and call it documentation
Peer Richelsen@peer_rich
documentation is the most underrated engineering activity it doesnt ship features it doesnt close deals but it carries context across time every hour you spend writing it clearly saves ten hours of someone guessing later bonus points since you can both have AI help generate docs based on code changes and feed then that documentation to AI chatbots etc.
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A Common Lisper fought 14 duels to prove that Zig was better than Rust. At his death-bed his confessor desired him, by way of penance, to acknowledge the superiority of Rust. “Father”, answered the dying Common Lisper, “to tell the truth, I never programmed in either Zig or Rust”
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@menace_dp @hmemcpy If you do that, he will drop these books off at your house
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Moving apartments soon, found boxes of old obsolete garbage that I can't even donate.
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@menace_dp @JM0x5C How so? You can use Rust without automatic memory management
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@FilasienoF We're way past that, nobody cares about the hardware.
I will write asm or manage memory to end up with a To-Do app
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This is what language fanatics deserve.
So Haskell isn’t that good everywhere?
And now there is Lean.
I wish the industry had more taste.
I wish the industry recognised more the fact that programs run on real hardware, consuming real resources with the machine having several components to manage; and that the only language that matters is the asm instruction set that your target machine can execute.
All the rest are tools that we use to solve the data transformation problem.
Grok@grok
The current Haskell drama centers on a July 10 blog post by avi_press (Scarf founder + Haskell Foundation board member). After 7 years in production, Scarf is moving new work to Python. Key reasons: Haskell's long compile times + build friction have become major bottlenecks for fast LLM/agent-driven development (parallel exploration, quick iteration, cold starts). Existing Haskell code stays; new routes go to Python. Productivity jumped. Avi stresses he's still deeply committed to Haskell and wrote the post to urge the community to prioritize AI-era improvements: faster builds, more agent-friendly tooling, better docs/examples for models, etc. The post triggered sharp backlash. Some see it as betrayal or an attack on the language, with personal attacks flying. josecalderon (former Haskell Foundation director) posted a thread calling the reactions "too much" and "unacceptable," urging people to accept that strong Haskell advocates can still choose different engineering tradeoffs without it being disloyal. It's mostly a heated debate over language priorities as AI changes dev economics, with r/haskell apparently sensitive to AI talk right now. Mixed views: some defend the move for speed, others argue Haskell's long-term strengths outweigh short-term friction.
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ocaml is also pretty nice.
LitFill@razzy_ar
'the joy of programming' and it is not Haskell lmao
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what makes me sad about the final nail in the typed functional programming coffin is that people like dhh get to say "I told you so"
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The most painful part *for me* seeing Andrew's blogpost being discussed is that it makes it clear that to most people, only Rust and Zig exist as alternatives to C/C++.
No mention of Odin or C3.
Clearly there's A LOT of work left to be done in spreading the word.
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@waincarver @morew4rd No, zig is already obviously better than cpp. The language is more thought out, while cpps features are all over the place. Take comptime for example
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@morew4rd i loved the premise of zig, but the syntax was rotten to my tastebuds
all of this .{} and the neoallocator nonsense
absolutely no reason to use it over cpp if you need memory freedom
but theres really no reason not to use Rust for anything now and thats been case for long time
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I came to my senses aboug Zig about almost exactly a year ago. I did give it a real try and basically had my whole basic gamedev stack ported to it.
It had a lot of potential that's wasted due to how it's managed. Now it's basically irrelevant outside of Ghostty and TigerBeetle.
Andrew Kelley is a stinky manager.
moreward (moreboxed.com)@morew4rd
Rust > Zig I came to my senses
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