@Mericamemed The Apple Store is about the same: I can’t just “walk in” and purchase product. There is some sort of dance required. I want this, here is money. Too complicated. I was successful, they did take my money, but it was weird
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Kyle Michaels
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This is the exact experience of what its like to buy a Rolex from an authorized dealer.
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@timsoret Maybe blue people are having a hard time with the one-shot aspect of this game. In the real world, the game does not end: How you behave in a game has downstream consequences, and people are rightfully conditioned to consider them, even if they should not in this case.
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Assuming no possible coordination:
If everybody was rational, we would all individually pick red & be safe without needing coordination, trusting that the sum of individual interests would lead to the most optimized outcome.
Except that many humans are irrational & dogmatic, and driven by idealistic / empathetic concerns, would pick blue, even if that requires coordination which is not guaranteed & which puts them as risk.
Knowing this, even if you’re initially inclined to vote red, the actual moral choice, to avoid the death of those willingly putting their lives at risk, is to vote blue to maximize the chances of saving everybody.
In short, if you know that others are not perfectly rational agents, to save them you have to go along with their irrationality, which is counter intuitive.
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@Mike21538943329 @plainstriumph How about you talk to your family before voting?
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You can't fathom??
As a Christian father, you'd be deciding your children's vote.
do you gaurantee the whole family lives along with everyone else voting red?
Do you have them vote blue, risking likely death, for a chance they save others?
Do you have them vote red to save them, but vote blue risking you leave them without parents?
Do you gamble their life based on your estimation of how 1.5B chinese, 1.5B indians, and 1.5B africans will vote, as they dominate the vote?
Is it on voting machines, with mail in, and no ID check (is there any reason to trust the vote totals)?
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Maybe it’s the white anglo Christian in me but I can’t fathom pressing red
vittorio@IterIntellectus
why would anyone even press blue?!?
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@Lus_Headbanged @plainstriumph Please read the bible. You do not get to go to heaven just because you’re stupid.
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@plainstriumph If you're a believing Christian, blue is obviously the correct choice.
If you succeed, you've saved everyone.
If you fail, you get to go to your Lord after trying to save everyone, and you don't have to live in a majority red button world.
Win-win
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@ZPostFacto No. It only included the people that understood the question. Their parents voted for them.
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In this hypothetical, does "everyone in the world" include toddlers?
Suddenly the blue pushers dont seem so dumb.
Are toddlers the only examples of human lives that have worth, but are incapable of solving game theory problems?
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@Ken67547214 @sheldawg311 Not just think “logically”: you have a responsibility to tell others there is a way to save everyone!
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@sheldawg311 So you think the world would work better if only people who think "logically" is better, and you don't feel any sort of human empathy for people who think differently from you?
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Who are the people who press red?
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@Ken67547214 @DanielW_Kiwi They want to die. Do not let them bring you down.
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@DanielW_Kiwi No, too many people die that way.
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@peterrhague We also are in an age full of dirty commies. We wholly expect a majority to have suicidal empathy.
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Amazing how lots of self appointed game theory experts confidently asserting that blue is the stupid choice. But every time this poll is run blue wins. Not only is the “game theory” answer predicting the wrong outcome, its explanatory power is based on it being able to predict the right answer. So it’s doubly wrong.
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@feelsokayle @mattforney They only rescue blue voters, who should have voted red. Everyone wins if everyone votes red. This question is about helping people who do not want to be helped. They will drain your resolve until you’re resentful.
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@mattforney There's a lot to learn here besides the math of the prisoner's dilemma. It's been proven that cooperation beats competition at scale, but not in small individual choices. What do people get by risking pressing blue? They hypothetically rescue others.
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I wish I could block everyone who voted "blue" because you've demonstrated that you're incapable of understanding the prisoner's dilemma even when the math is taken out of it
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@conflict_desk @pmarca @grok I assume all charities are mostly fraud. Restrict your charity to where you can see it spent and confirm it is helping rather than just making it worse.
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So @grok, we all just discovered that the SPLC has allegedly been funding some of the worst of the people and groups it claims to oppose. What are other activist pressure groups that advocate censorship/deplatforming of their enemies that could be doing the same thing?
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🚨BREAKING🚨
I just finished making French Onion Soup.
I made the broth from scratch which is a beef bone marrow broth.
10 out of 10! 👩🏽🍳
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@Vitus_osst @TonyClimate Why is the moon facing the wrong way?
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The first images of the moon, taken by the current Artemis II mission. Magnificent and fascinating."
God is wonderful
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BREAKING: the DOD has released HARROWING footage of the F-15 Weapons Officer evading Iranian forces.
Warning: footage may trigger deep emotional response
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Probability of me getting a fair trial if this is how the judge dresses is 0.0%
Libs of TikTok@libsoftiktok
NEW: Elon’s attorneys are calling on Clinton-appointed Judge Charles Breyer to investigate the jury in Musk's recent Twitter acquisition case after jurors were mocking Musk in court. RIGGED
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@DerrickEvans4WV Firing squad in a circle? Who’s on the left? This is fake, or retarded.
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🚨 WATCH: A Video shows CJNG leader Nemesio Oseguera Cervantes “El Mencho” holding rival Adolfo Mendoza Valencia “El Michoacano” captive.
The capture allegedly followed a dr*g seizure and civilian casualties, with CJNG vowing retaliation.
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@sir_lodbrok @elonmusk @ID_AA_Carmack Now we know what dark matter is: All the aliens using space for data storage.
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256 Tb/s data rates over 200 km distance have been demonstrated on single mode fiber optic, which works out to 32 GB of data in flight, “stored” in the fiber, with 32 TB/s bandwidth. Neural network inference and training can have deterministic weight reference patterns, so it is amusing to consider a system with no DRAM, and weights continuously streamed into an L2 cache by a recycling fiber loop. The modern equivalent of the ancient mercury echo tube memories. You would need to pipeline a bunch of them to implement modern trillion parameter models, but fiber transmission may have a better growth trajectory than DRAM does today, so it might someday become viable.
Much more practically, you should be able to gang cheap flash memory together to provide almost any read bandwidth you require, as long as it is done a page at a time and pipelined well ahead. That should be viable for inference serving today if flash and accelerator vendors could agree on a high speed interface.
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@Rainmaker1973 Finally! The technology of Ancient Greece for use in “remote regions”
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@Holyfield67 @MJTruthUltra Canada is mostly karens. We’re doomed.
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@MJTruthUltra I believe the Canadians will revolt en masse.
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Holy Shit…
NEW: Watch the face of Scott Moe when Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney says they’re entering a “New World Order”
They don’t even hide it anymore.
Right in everyone’s faces.
rumble.com/v74eab4-pm-can…
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@adamcarolla Yikes! Iron rebar and concrete beside salt water? That willl last 10years, or less.
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Want to see what a two and a half million dollar foundation looks like in California. This is for a 2000 sq ft single family house
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