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mica
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that things are status quo is the catastrophe
Melbourne Katılım Nisan 2025
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@drumm_colin @KeruboSk by using “they” instead of “we” are you disavowing yourself from the theological category of “age group 30-45” that designates the term millennial
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@thezachloeffler what do you think utopia is? what makes you think utopia without surplus is still a utopia? is that his contribution or has he simply redefined utopia for you.
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@mutualcreation Well idk Horkheimer often calls him theological, and that doesn’t seem to bother him even as he claims to be doing justice to rescuing enlightenment. But also I think his contribution is to think of utopia not simply in terms of surplus.
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Based on the review, this appears to be another book that repeats the old canards about Adorno in lieu of reading him.
Marx & Philosophy@MarxPhilosophy
New review just published online in the Marx and Philosophy Review of Books: Reece Rogers on Nina Rismal's The Ends of Utopian Thinking in Critical Theory marxandphilosophy.org.uk/reviews/22576_…
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@thezachloeffler i think communism is neither utopia nor heaven but only one of them sees a life without fear as necessitating a determined negation of the current state of things. utopias try their best to plan fear away, with the scales of this society. but this is not up to adornos standard.
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@mutualcreation Adorno does not see fear, even of death, as a metaphysical invariant but deeply connected to the negative totality of capitalism in particular and prehistory in general. This is central to his critique of Heidegger. He doesn’t call life without it heaven but communism/socialism.
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@thezachloeffler i need to sleep now but i should instigate so @drumm_colin @demwashere @nobodydrove @singing_swamp
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@thezachloeffler another way of reframing it is utopia’s defining excess that strays outside of the critique (judgement) seems to be a secularization that adorno theologises again while avowing to be nontheological
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@thezachloeffler I’m less familiar with his writings on music but regarding “determinacy in consummate negativity” I still think a twist on the Commandments stands better here than bringing in utopia
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@mutualcreation In part perhaps because the writings on music obsess over the determinacy in consummate negativity
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@thezachloeffler that’s awesome! i like adorno & what he’s doing. do you think his table is fine without trying to bring utopia into all this? i kinda think so.
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@mutualcreation My experience of reading Adorno is more like oh finally there’s a table
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can someone write a critique of this book lowkey the gillian rose twitter society has been beating my ass
jon repetti@pourfairelevide
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@thezachloeffler ofc nowadays no concepts are really fully adequate. but this is an inadequateness like trying to work on a table missing a leg, it’s structurally wonky. adorno removes the other 3 legs and says it’s balanced but it’s more of a plank than a table now.
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@thezachloeffler I don’t think crit. theorists taking up utopia need to be loyal to the utopian tradition but there’s something they still need to avow. One can take up utopia solely within the critique of bourgeois civilization, just be prepared to find the concept inadequate for your purposes.
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@thezachloeffler Two sessions in fact! He had a lot to say, and people responded a lot to them.
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@mutualcreation Oh never mind sorry I see Adorno oops
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@thezachloeffler I think we’re operating on different assumptions of what utopia could and could not be. Yours seem more definite than mine. This is part of what my upcoming lectures aim to explore. x.com/mutualcreation…
mica@mutualcreation
preliminary course outline for an upcoming lecture series called “Utopian Thinking in Critical Theory” that I’m planning to upload for free on Youtube
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@mutualcreation I see. The issue is that utopia would have to entail a reconciliation with necessity that is not abstract, externally imposed law. The promise of dialectical logic to culminate in its origin without regressing to metaphysics or prima philosophia and feigning immediacy.
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