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Nathan Perry

Nathan Perry

@nathan2grid

Solar Energy Advocate | Policy Consultant | Customer Education Specialist

Katılım Mayıs 2012
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Nathan Perry
Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 Businesses are already dealing with high rates now and still operate. Lower the cost to manufacture, transport, store, and sell during a big part of daytime business hours and the economic advantage is massive. But utilities care more about maintaining their monopoly power.
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Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
@nathan2grid If it attracts high energy businesses in California will those businesses still want to consume in the hours where bilateral RA in CA is expensive?
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Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
This is why we can’t have nice things. 🤦‍♂️ In this example, the utility is paying for the Netflix sub and passing on the costs. The economics of them reselling 20 minutes or 20,000 hours of streaming is enormous!
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Well they paid for 150mw regardless. That is how much they are going to be forwarding their bill to their ratepayers. So it's a constant cost . So analogy here. If you buy a Netflix subscription that is $20 a month does it matter from the point of view of how much you spend if you watch 1hr or 200hrs

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Nathan Perry
Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 I didn’t ask for free. Let’s pretend you’re right. Wouldn’t cutting rates midday even if rates in the evening & night need to rise to compensate be better for everyone? It would attract high energy businesses. Wouldn’t it help the utility get lower PPA rates in the future?
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Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
@nathan2grid They can't give what Leah Stokes wants and give free energy during that time and get out of paying the solar farms what they promised them. So they still need to ensure they get the revenue.
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Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 You whine about the rules but still cannot tell me why servicing a 1 MW load is better for the customer or the utility than a 100 MW load is the PPA is already signed and the ratepayers are having the costs passed down regardless?
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Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
@nathan2grid because the utility wanted to advertise they were 100% renewable and the RPS forces them to buy! geez thats why.
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Nathan Perry
Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 That concretely explained nothing. Explain to me the utility economics of preferring to have a 1MW load vs a 100MW load. Because the economic benefit to businesses being able to add 99MW of additional load, even if only for a few hours, at the same cost as 1MW is huge.
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Xiao Wang
Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
@nathan2grid Basically if you are a 100MW California CCA that has contracted for 150MW of solar at $60 a MWh it doesn't matter if your load is 1MW or 100MW your ratepayers are paying for 150MW regardless
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Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 Yes, please educate me. I need a run down of the math behind why high prices and low demand for midday grid power is better than low prices and high demand? Seems like the definition of insanity to keep raising midday prices, encouraging more solar, EE, and demand reduction.
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Nathan Perry
Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
Where is this happening in CA and how can I get in on this? Link me to the interconnection agreement that allows this.
Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984

@loganb So if you were a California CCA that decided to pay for a PPA for $60 when gas marginal is $40 that gives the price opportunity for a battery to come in an charge at $10 so that it can come back and sell it to you again later in the day for $150. Who paid the difference here

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Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 The majority of the time those anchor tenants are the ones that own the system. They get to monetize their warehouse rooftops or church parking lots.
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Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
@nathan2grid I see that there is the concept of an anchor subscriber that is essential for getting the project funded
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Xiao Wang
Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
Everyone says rooftop solar and batteries are efficient because its close to load. Y'all think its efficient use of capital when everybody is using 500W of a 5kW system on average and saving precious battery kWh for non peak usage so they can use it at night to offset consumption? And multiply this by all the people that have it. Please.
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Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 For about two years solar farms located in right places were able to recoup over 100% of all their costs in 3-4 months as long as they kept the total project cost under $4m without selling a single kWh of electricity. Nothing stopped the utilities from doing the same thing.
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Xiao Wang
Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
@nathan2grid Wait so if the solar farm didn't have a PPA who in their right mind would front the capital to finance one without long term offtake lined up
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Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 Cool. Allow prosumers to participate in energy market price swings. Do that and people will design their systems in a way that more closely aligns with benefiting the grid at large as well also saving money themselves. Also reform the utilities profit motive.
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Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
I would fix price signals for home battery and solar owners by putting them on a mandatory non coincident demand charge rate that has energy purchases and export compensation close to the wholesale rate with some additional performance incentives or penalties for coincident peak periods.
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Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 There are no PPAs. If the number of subscribers drops, the solar farm doesn’t get paid for that power. Pretty utility friendly if you ask me. Also improves local grid resilience. Not everything is a zero sum game. Innovation, better tech, & better regs can lead to cost savings.
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Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
Whats the PPA terms of the "cheap" solar power vs the economic value of the losses there? Can you quantify this. Is this discount simply pushed onto others via a cost shift once again this is what the whole CPUC case about community solar was about too. Good thing they are starting to question the assumptions here
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Nathan Perry
Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 Well you know what they say about making assumptions. I’m buying cheap solar power from a MW scale farm a few miles away rather than from natural gas, coal, hydro, and wind generation, most of which is located about 161 miles away. I get a 3-5% discount on my bill.
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Xiao Wang
Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
@nathan2grid I fail to see how giving renters the option to purchase MORE expensive electricity to displace LESS expensive electricity is good for them
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Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 You love moving goal posts. Really it’s not about cost but control. Think about the renters! Oh wait, not like that.
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Xiao Wang
Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
@nathan2grid Why should a utility or a CCA be compelled into more expensive community solar if they can offtake from a cheaper transmission connected one
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Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 Utility execs make more in annual compensation than entire rooftop solar companies. Yes! Who is standing in the way of community solar for renters? As a renter who is part of a community solar program myself, it’s great! But my state forced the utilities to allow it.
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Xiao Wang
Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
@nathan2grid The little guy being the millionaire owners of rooftop solar in California you mean. How bout supporting the renters
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Nathan Perry
Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 I never said I want to revert to NEM 2. In fact for CA, a better option would be to fix TOU rates. Fix the price signals. Encourage battery adoption. Better utilize the grid. Increase consumption of power. That solves a lot of your volumetric woes.
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Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
@nathan2grid And in spite of all your attempts at redirection by villianization how do you propose to change the under collection of capital funds from a certain class of generation owners when you want to revert to NEM 2.0. these moral arguments mean absolutely nothing in this regard
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Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 Sure! Utilities love status quo. Because they did so great with keeping up the grid when we had 3 decades of stagnant load growth.
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Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
@nathan2grid It would be far more manageable if they didn't have all that rooftop solar freeloaders underpaying their share that's for sure
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Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 So they shouldn’t be liable for not replacing a transmission line hook that was nearly a century old, failed, burned down a city and killed over 80 people? Have they been experiencing a solar cost shift since the 1930s?
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Xiao Wang
Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
@nathan2grid You want to limit capital spend by utilities yet hold them to a liability standard that is far beyond other states. That sounds like wishful thinking to me
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Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 On no! A crazy profitable industry with a government monopoly and guaranteed returns needs to solve a hard problem so they can continue to be massively profitable!
GIF
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Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
yet you still want utilities to invest in the grid because you dont want to FAFO about what happens when they stop doing that and now due to liability laws you pretty much force huge investment for this needle in a haystack problem while you also undercollect payments from a huge part of your ratebase. Easy to blame. Hard to solve.
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Nathan Perry@nathan2grid·
@xiaowang1984 How many utilities have declared bankruptcy due to causing natural disasters that killed hundreds and being on the hook for damages and criminal charges against the company? Pretty sure that is going to skew result in a uniquely California way.
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Xiao Wang@xiaowang1984·
@nathan2grid Mind you the LBNL correlation analysis also had a special "california" variable that they couldn't explain which they said is due to wildfire but guess that increases the capital spend which gets peanut buttered over the ratebase. way to selectively give information here.
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