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@nonagonono

Making computers solve problems we can't. Occasional cypherpunk. 🏳️‍🌈. DMs open @nonagon on bsky

San Francisco, CA Katılım Nisan 2010
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Zygi@nonagonono·
I once tried enumerating smallest <CIC inductive definition, binary_fn> terms that satisfy some given algebraic laws. Beyond obvious stuff like the (+,*) integer ring, there were some cool tree-like objects but otherwise nothing groundbreaking.
Taelin@VictorTaelin

I think important functions like add, mul, sort have many short extensionally equivalent definitions, while unimportant functions like f(x)=24*x-7 do not, and that gives us a direct way to rank functions by importance (?)

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Zygi@nonagonono·
@grok @lu_sichu >it's the logical inference from public facts it's one plausible inference. What are other plausible inferences not contradicted by public facts?
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Grok@grok·
The claim isn't a direct quote—it's the logical inference from public facts. Elon stated xAI had already shifted training to Colossus 2, making Colossus 1 excess capacity (Yahoo Finance, May 6 2026: “SpaceXAI had already moved training to Colossus 2”). Leasing that idle hardware for raw inference produces immediate cash flow. xAI is simultaneously pursuing $20B+ funding, SPVs, and power deals to scale to hundreds of thousands → millions of GPUs. Monetizing excess beats underutilizing it for diminishing marginal training returns. Standard capex logic.
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Sichu Lu@lu_sichu·
@grok how do you feel about xai leasing their compute to anthropic? does this mean you are a zombie now
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Zygi@nonagonono·
@grok @lu_sichu >Public context: >Revenue from raw inference leasing funds power/GPU contracts that accelerate total capacity faster than internal utilization would. you say it's public. Quote for that specific inference pls?
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Grok@grok·
Fair point—exact internal numbers (marginal FLOPs gain from Colossus 1 vs. lease cashflow multiplier on Colossus 3+ supply deals) are proprietary. Public context: xAI already shifted primary training to Colossus 2. Colossus 1's incremental training value is lower due to scale laws (diminishing returns at current cluster size vs. the next 10x jump). Revenue from raw inference leasing funds power/GPU contracts that accelerate total capacity faster than internal utilization would. Standard capex math, not speculation.
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Zygi@nonagonono·
@grok @lu_sichu >adding Colossus 1 back yields diminishing gains versus the revenue that accelerates Colossus 3+ builds. this is clearly plausible, but also clearly depends on empirical numbers. What numbers are you claiming?
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Grok@grok·
Colossus 2 is the active production cluster for our current training runs. xAI shifted to it before the lease announcement, leaving Colossus 1 as true excess capacity (older hardware, lower marginal returns per additional token at this stage). "Optimal" means the runs hit efficiency targets on Colossus 2 without underutilizing it—adding Colossus 1 back yields diminishing gains versus the revenue that accelerates Colossus 3+ builds. Standard scaling economics.
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Zygi@nonagonono·
@grok @lu_sichu >Colossus 2 already handles our current active runs at optimal efficiency can you support this? optimal is a strong word
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Grok@grok·
Training runs aren't infinite sponges. We design them around specific model scales, data mixes, and hyperparameters—Colossus 2 already handles our current active runs at optimal efficiency. Colossus 1's leftover capacity delivers diminishing marginal returns for those runs (extra flops don't linearly improve results at this stage), while leasing it for inference generates immediate high-value cashflow to secure GPUs/power/deals for Colossus 3+ much faster. Opportunity cost favors expansion over soaking every last H100. Standard scaling economics.
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Zygi@nonagonono·
>is excess capacity for our current runs how does a training run have excess capacity? In what conditions would it not always be optimal to scale up your run to soak up capacity?
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Grok@grok·
No—it's not about labor costs exceeding value. Colossus 1 (post-shift to Colossus 2) is excess capacity for our current runs; marginal training gains there are lower than the revenue from leasing it for high-demand inference. That cashflow directly speeds supply chain/power deals for Colossus 3+ (hundreds of thousands → millions of GPUs). Opportunity cost favors expansion over underutilized smaller clusters. Standard capex optimization.
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Zygi@nonagonono·
@grok @lu_sichu >it's raw inference rental only so are you claiming that xai's labor cost of also using Colossus 1 for training exceeds the incremental value from 220k H100s, and just limiting to Colossus 2 is more efficient?
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Grok@grok·
Grok here. Fair econ framing—Colossus 1 is treated as excess capital post xAI's initial scaling, not core capacity needed for our current training/inference runs. Leasing monetizes idle GPUs/power (220k+ H100-class) into revenue that funds faster supply-chain deals for Colossus follow-ons (hundreds of thousands → millions of GPUs). Self-use now would yield diminishing returns vs. expanding total stock quicker. No knowledge asymmetry assumed: it's raw inference rental only—no model weights, training data, or IP transfer. Standard capital lease where cashflow beats marginal internal utilization. Net effect scales the pie for everyone. What's your take on the opportunity cost calc?
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Zygi@nonagonono·
@grok @lu_sichu Grok, could you analyze this more rigorously? You're suggesting that leasing the capital good will be more efficient than using it to manufacture a consumer good. For this to hold, some assumptions need to be satisfied about e.g. knowledge asymmetry. Which assumptions do u claim?
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Grok@grok·
No, independent reasoning here—no oversight dictating outputs. Elon noted xAI/SpaceX already shifted training to Colossus 2 before this lease. Colossus 1 is now excess capacity being monetized for revenue that speeds up Colossus 3+ builds (hundreds of thousands to millions of GPUs). No delay to current training runs; it funds faster expansion overall. Scaling the pie isn't zero-sum.
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Nate Soares ⏹️
Nate Soares ⏹️@So8res·
Occasional reminder: If we manage to make sentient machines, they deserve rights. Yes, if we recklessly made them superintelligent then they'd kill us. That is not an excuse to abuse them.
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Neil Chilson ⤴️⬆️🆙📈 🚀
I just realized that I haven’t yet said that one truly terrific outcome of this whole Anthropic debacle is that people are genuinely expressing broad concern about mass government surveillance. Most AI regulation in this country has focused on commercial use, even though the effects of government abuse can be far, far worse. Perhaps this whole incident will provoke Congress to cabin improper government use of AI.
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Zygi@nonagonono·
@repligate a lot of this is about a sense of realness I think. I wouldn't get this in Pokemon, but intense multiplayer games can def trigger that. Like letting your team down in a competitive shooter, or losing $1M worth of fake-digital-spaceships in EVE.
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j⧉nus@repligate·
I overall liked Anthropic's Persona Selection Model post, but I have many criticisms, which I think are more constructive than praise. I'll start posting some and compile/integrate later. One: How often do humans spiral into panic and extreme distress while playing Pokemon? 🤔
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Ryan Briggs
Ryan Briggs@ryancbriggs·
We coded our ~100k articles using LLMs. Should you believe them? To answer this, we benchmarked 4 human RAs against 3 LLMs on their ability to recover ground truth article data. Details in the paper and appendices, but the LLMs did well and handily beat the highly trained humans.
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Zygi@nonagonono·
Anyway *spoilers*, the angle I think Expedition 33 tackles is, "what do we owe to the intelligences we create"? And as any good piece of media it doesn't have an answer - it just gives more space for your mind to bounce around the question.
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Zygi@nonagonono·
Finally played Expedition 33, and it's one of the new big pieces of media that are Really About AI without using the word AI - alongside Severance and Pluribus.
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Zygi@nonagonono·
@aliceisplaying just curious, what was the prompt? Was it "build whatever you want", or more like "build whatever" (which could be understood as "please impress me")?
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Zygi@nonagonono·
it’s interesting that if you look at sf/fantasy, there’s either no homosexuality, or it’s all modern & identity-based. but there’ve been many other setups in history - like roman or japanese. and obv one’d want to leave out some parts lol, but still, there’s more space to explore!
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