@speakoutsister You can presume all you like but you might be wrong. You are so invested in avoiding a real conversation that it stops you doing any thinking. Engaging with you is not fruitful for either of us.
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So here they are again equating having short hair with being gender non conforming. So they presumably think Helen Joyce, Maya Forstater, Fiona Macanena, Emma Hilton, Susan Smith, Trina Budge, Marion Calder etc etc ARE gender conforming.
Bindel and Stock ARE lesbians.
no, tell me more@notellmemore
@speakoutsister Yeah Julie Bindel is the epitome of traditional femininity. And that Kathleen Stock. Like a Barbie princess!!!
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@s7c20 @speakoutsister You’re welcome to ask why I find it insulting but I suspect you don’t really want to know. Easier to make assumptions about my thoughts and respond to those.
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@notellmemore @speakoutsister Not that I expect you would care, too busy being disgusted, etc.
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Gender critical women are rarely gender non conforming that I can see. Most seem to be more gender conforming than average.
But if you are apparently that's why people call you ugly according to this person.
no, tell me more@notellmemore
@speakoutsister That’s not why women are upset. Gender critical woman are often gender non conforming, hence often being described as ugly. This man is performing a deeply insulting caricature. If you can’t see that you haven’t really thought about it.
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@s7c20 @speakoutsister I’m not disgusted. I’m insulted. And you have misinterpreted my comment above in which I make no mention of attraciveness. You have no idea whether I find either of this individuals attractive.
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@s7c20 @speakoutsister We’re talking about a man going in to his place of work wearing really massive fake tits.
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@notellmemore @speakoutsister could potentially be judged unmanly/failing in his masculinity due to aspects of his appearance separate to the more specifically gender non-conforming aspects which have been put in public focus.
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@ThomasJPinkCain @TheatreSpoonie @speakoutsister Thomas I’m leaving you here because you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about.
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@notellmemore @TheatreSpoonie @speakoutsister Yes the ones who are doing the harassing are GC. If you'd bothered to read & listen you'd know that but you've already proven that you're unwilling to do that. GC switched to that term because they hated rightfully being called anti-trans assholes.
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Gender criticals are upset because a lecturer at Oxford university is wearing prosthetic breasts and has a beard.
They are claiming it is sexual harassment which is a dangerous road to go down since sone men will then claim any woman not dressed in a burka is harassing them
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@speakoutsister No one said that. It’s so obviously a ridiculous thing to say. It makes no sense.
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Here you are ladies. It's ok to have short hair and not shave but only if you're going to Tesco.
no, tell me more@notellmemore
@HenrysFaveWife @speakoutsister Absolutely. A male person wearing a dress and make up out to the pub. A female person having short hair, not shaving, wearing clothes from the male section of shops and going to Tesco.
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@speakoutsister Yeah Julie Bindel is the epitome of traditional femininity. And that Kathleen Stock. Like a Barbie princess!!!
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@notellmemore I know exactly who they are and can see them in the media. And how they dress and style themselves.
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@ThomasJPinkCain @speakoutsister @TheatreSpoonie I think Thomas you are thinking of conservative or ‘traditional’ women, rather than gender critical women.
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@speakoutsister @notellmemore @TheatreSpoonie Yep. Honestly what I've heard & read from gc they really really like pushing outdated ideas on gender and gender roles. So much for the "critical" part of gc 😂
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@ThomasJPinkCain @TheatreSpoonie @speakoutsister I don’t doubt that some gnc women have been hassled in toilets. But I don’t imagine the harassers were GC. I’m not sure you fully understand what GC means if that’s what you think.
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@notellmemore @TheatreSpoonie @speakoutsister You made incorrect assumptions about gc harassment of gnc women & when given proof decided to remain willfully ignorant. This is why no one takes you seriously.
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@speakoutsister @ThomasJPinkCain @TheatreSpoonie Why do you think I think that? I think they can go anywhere. You must have misunderstood.
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@ThomasJPinkCain @notellmemore @TheatreSpoonie That and the fact they think women with short hair who don't shave can only go to Tesco.
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@ThomasJPinkCain @TheatreSpoonie @speakoutsister No I didn’t read the article. I don’t think you know what the majority of GC women think. Because I don’t think you ask them. I think you make assumptions.
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@notellmemore @TheatreSpoonie @speakoutsister Except you clearly didn't read the article because it's more than one woman pointing out gc bullshit. & the majority of gc do conform to antiquated ideas about women.
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He goes to the pub, she does the shopping. Riiight...
You're not really getting this "gender non-conforming" thing, are you?
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@HenrysFaveWife @speakoutsister Absolutely. A male person wearing a dress and make up out to the pub. A female person having short hair, not shaving, wearing clothes from the male section of shops and going to Tesco.
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@ThomasJPinkCain @TheatreSpoonie @speakoutsister So one woman reports her experience and that means ‘GC women’ cannot tolerate gnc. Right so how do you square that with all the gnc gc women?
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@HenrysFaveWife @speakoutsister My point is that the lecturer would be dismissed, because he would be breaching the university code of conduct.
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@notellmemore @speakoutsister You're proving my point here. It's your freedom to be offended by this lecturer's behaviour but unless I misunderstood, what you were saying is that it should be banned
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@HenrysFaveWife @speakoutsister Really? You can’t think about it? Would it be ok for me to have my hair in corn rows if I’m white? There’s no law that says no. Would it be ok for me to come to work as a lecturer on blackface? No. Who polices that?
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@notellmemore @speakoutsister That's not an example - what specific instances of cultural appropriation do you mean? Which authorities do you think police it?
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@HenrysFaveWife @speakoutsister Yes. Cultural appropriation would be a good example.
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@notellmemore @speakoutsister Can you give me a comparable example of this to what we're talking about? I can't think of one (in the UK)
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@HenrysFaveWife @speakoutsister Well that’s not true because we have rules and laws governing the public expression of private thoughts and behaviour. We do not get to simply do and say whatever we like with no consideration of others. That is what society is.
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@notellmemore @speakoutsister Exactly, you cannot possibly establish any rules on that basis. We either have a liberal society or one in which a single set of values determines what people can and can't do. Thanks for the discussion, appreciate it ☺️
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@HenrysFaveWife @speakoutsister They are wearing clothes you don’t like. And you can walk away. It’s really not the same.
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@notellmemore @speakoutsister In what way does anyone have to 'participate'? I can't stand seeing men wearing suits and ties in summer, which I consider to be an oppressive facet of patriarchy, but ultimately how they present themselves is nothing to do with me
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@HenrysFaveWife @speakoutsister When is something caricature or insult? Is it in intention or perception?
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@notellmemore @speakoutsister What's the criteria for determining if something is inherently misogynistic?
If you're genuinely interested in examining your own views I'm happy to chat on, but I suspect we'll end up going round in circles
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