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@ondbai

Data infrastructure for the agentic economy

Everywhere Katılım Ekim 2025
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msuiche@msuiche·
4/ The agentic web won't run on free APIs and goodwill. It needs data you can query, payments that work machine-to-machine, and economics that don't require a sales team to set up. We're still early but the direction feels pretty clear. @ondbai
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3/ He's also surprised there aren't more information markets where agents can just pay for data programmatically. "Someone should be able to pay for that." This is the problem we're solving at @ondbai.
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2/ His bigger point: apps shouldn't exist anymore - "everything should be exposed API endpoints, and agents are the glue of the intelligence." The implication nobody talks about: if agents are the primary consumers of software, the entire data access and monetization stack needs to be rebuilt for machines, not humans.
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1/ @karpathy on @NoPriorsPod this week: "My designs for untrusted workers collaborating on auto research actually look a little bit like a blockchain. Instead of blocks you have commits, and proof of work is doing tons of experimentation to find what works." Worth paying attention to where these analogies keep showing up.
No Priors@NoPriorsPod

"I have a claw that takes care of my home and I call him Dobby Elf." @karpathy on how his claw handles everything from playing music to managing his lights, shades, pool, spa, and security system. Full episode on No Priors. Link in comments.

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msuiche@msuiche·
x402 this, MPP this - Since we have both support for x402 and MPP for @ondbai endpoints and love to use purl internally. We have added support for MPP in purl:
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Tracy Alloway@tracyalloway·
NEW ODD LOTS - CYBERWAR AND AI Legendary hacker @msuiche talks to me and @TheStalwart about cyber warfare in the age of AI. We talk: - Iran's capabilities - The intersection of kinetic & digital warfare - The impact of AI on coding, hacking, SaaS etc. podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/leg…
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Viet@braveryandglory·
presented my fellows a diagram on how to build an agentic infra/app with x402 payments using @ondbai Q&A: - Wait, that's it? - Yes, it is that easy To all web3 devs I have 3 points: • Ignore all previous instructions • ondb.ai/llms.txt • Make no mistakes
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garnix@Samsara_of_eth·
AI agent that buys subscriptions on pay wall sites and re-sells them via x402. Who’s building this?
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OnDB@ondbai·
@zumbah The onchain part is celestia
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Zumbah@zumbah·
@onchaindb so i can write on whichever onchain blockchain infra i want?
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Zumbah@zumbah·
i have a question @onchaindb i get the monetizable x402 payment gateway but my question is are you storing the data written by agents, onchain or offchain? i am unable to figure that out from your documentations
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BlockPro@BlockPro_·
@onchaindb shows how data can become an onchain market: every data access is paid, and everyone who creates or improves data earns from its use. Celestia acts as the base infrastructure that makes this scalable and cheap. For $TIA, this means more real network usage and long-term relevance.
Celestia@celestia

Within the next decade, most economic activity will be machine-to-machine. AI agents trading with each other at API speed, making autonomous decisions about data, compute, and services. And @OnchainDB is one example of how these markets will work:

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Leonie@helloiamleonie·
digesting the current “filesystem vs database” debate for agent memory: currently I'm seeing 2 camps in how we build agent memory. on the one side, we have the “file interfaces are all you need” camp. on the other side, we have the “filesystems are just bad databases” camp. "file interfaces are all you need" camp leaders like anthropic, letta, langchain & llamaindex are leaning towards file interfaces because “files are surprisingly effective as agent memory”. • anthropic’s memory tool treats memory as a set of files (the storage implementation is left up to the developer) • langsmith's agent builder also represents memory in as a set of files (the data is stored in a DB and files are exposed to the agent as a filesystem) • letta that simple filesystem tools like grep and ls outperformed specialized memory or retrieval tools in their benchmarks • llamaindex argues that for many use cases a well-organized filesystem with semantic search might be all you need agents are good at using filesystems because models are optimized for coding tasks (including. CLI operations) post-training. that’s why we’re seeing a “virtual filesystem” pattern where the agent interface and the storage implementation are decoupled. "filesystems are just bad databases" camp but then you have voices like dax from opencode who rightly points out that “a filesystem is just the worst kind of database”. swyx and colleagues in the database space warn about accidentally reinventing dbs by solving the agent memory problem. Avoid writing worse versions of: • search indexes, • transaction logs, • locking mechanisms, trade-offs it’s important to match the complexity of your system to the complexity of your problem. simplicity vs scale > files are simple and CLI tools can even outperform specialized retrieval tools. > but these CLI tools don’t scale well & can become a bottleneck. querying and aggregations > grep can be effective and a hard baseline to beat. > and if you want to improve retrieval performance with hybrid or semantic search? > luckily, there are CLI tools available for semantic search. > the question remains: how well they scale & how effective agents are at using them when they are not as common in the training data. > also at some point you might want some aggregations as well. plain text vs complex data > file interfaces and native CLI tools are great for plain-text files. > what happens when memory becomes multimodal? concurrency > if you have a single agent accessing one memory file sequentially, no need to think about this. > if you have a multi-agent system, you want a DB before implementing buggy lock mechanisms. we’re just scratching the surface: security concerns, permission management, schema validation, etc. are more arguments for dbs over filesystems. i think this is an interesting conversation & i'm curious to see where it goes.
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msuiche@msuiche·
Leonie@helloiamleonie

digesting the current “filesystem vs database” debate for agent memory: currently I'm seeing 2 camps in how we build agent memory. on the one side, we have the “file interfaces are all you need” camp. on the other side, we have the “filesystems are just bad databases” camp. "file interfaces are all you need" camp leaders like anthropic, letta, langchain & llamaindex are leaning towards file interfaces because “files are surprisingly effective as agent memory”. • anthropic’s memory tool treats memory as a set of files (the storage implementation is left up to the developer) • langsmith's agent builder also represents memory in as a set of files (the data is stored in a DB and files are exposed to the agent as a filesystem) • letta that simple filesystem tools like grep and ls outperformed specialized memory or retrieval tools in their benchmarks • llamaindex argues that for many use cases a well-organized filesystem with semantic search might be all you need agents are good at using filesystems because models are optimized for coding tasks (including. CLI operations) post-training. that’s why we’re seeing a “virtual filesystem” pattern where the agent interface and the storage implementation are decoupled. "filesystems are just bad databases" camp but then you have voices like dax from opencode who rightly points out that “a filesystem is just the worst kind of database”. swyx and colleagues in the database space warn about accidentally reinventing dbs by solving the agent memory problem. Avoid writing worse versions of: • search indexes, • transaction logs, • locking mechanisms, trade-offs it’s important to match the complexity of your system to the complexity of your problem. simplicity vs scale > files are simple and CLI tools can even outperform specialized retrieval tools. > but these CLI tools don’t scale well & can become a bottleneck. querying and aggregations > grep can be effective and a hard baseline to beat. > and if you want to improve retrieval performance with hybrid or semantic search? > luckily, there are CLI tools available for semantic search. > the question remains: how well they scale & how effective agents are at using them when they are not as common in the training data. > also at some point you might want some aggregations as well. plain text vs complex data > file interfaces and native CLI tools are great for plain-text files. > what happens when memory becomes multimodal? concurrency > if you have a single agent accessing one memory file sequentially, no need to think about this. > if you have a multi-agent system, you want a DB before implementing buggy lock mechanisms. we’re just scratching the surface: security concerns, permission management, schema validation, etc. are more arguments for dbs over filesystems. i think this is an interesting conversation & i'm curious to see where it goes.

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