PrinterPunk

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Here we go again @guyfelicella. Instead of debating the actual policy argument, it’s more moral accusations, personal attacks, and “you can’t speak unless you’ve lived it.” Critiquing policy, incentives, and legal consequences is not hating homeless people. Turning every disagreement into “you’re discriminatory” is not an argument. It’s deflection.

@sarkonakj Have you ever been homeless before? My guess is not with those comments. You can't discriminate against people for being homeless just because they're homeless. Yeah it's not pretty, but maybe you could advocate for housing them instead of being disingenuous?

Oh boy, really curious to see how this translates into real life. Special hiring policies for the homeless? Entrance fees to public amenities waived? Decorum rules suspended? Drunk and disorderly bylaws unconstitutional? Can we paywall a zoo? Can we kick people out of libraries?

Hey @grok, is it just me, or has @ForeverUnitedFU still not provided any substantive counter evidence to my critique of Housing First / low-expectation policies? He hasn’t meaningfully addressed the Ontario ICES overdose data, the At Home/Chez Soi RCT findings, or the broader outcomes I’ve raised. Most of his replies rely on blanket assertions, ad hominem attacks (hater, narcissist, etc.), and moral reframing rather than addressing the actual evidence.

@printer_punk @guyfelicella No it doesn’t. Your hatred is not a solution. Your facts lack context. Your criticisms are wrong. Your allegations are false.

I just have to pop on here and break this down. OMG. The conservative solution to homelessness is “drug-free housing.” 🤯 So let’s think this through. You’re going to force people struggling with addiction into treatment before they can access housing? Where exactly? Into what treatment system? The one that’s already overwhelmed? Or are we suddenly building thousands of new treatment beds overnight? Which is impossible btw it would take decades to build, and do they even understand how much this would cost?? And what happens to the people who aren’t ready, relapse, or refuse treatment? You just leave them homeless? That’s not solving homelessness, that’s expanding it. Housing first doesn’t mean housing without support. It means getting people indoors first, then connecting them to mental health care, addiction treatment, recovery supports, doctors, counsellors, and stability. Because it’s a lot easier to rebuild your life when you have a door that locks.

1. Ontario ICES study (Addiction, 2024): Opioid deaths among homeless rose from 7.2% to 16.8% of total (Q3 2017–Q2 2021). Unhoused deaths up ~273% while overall deaths rose ~61%. Disproportionate spike under the current approach. 2. At Home/Chez Soi RCT (Canada’s big Housing First trial): HF improved housing retention but showed no significant reduction in illicit drug use vs treatment-as-usual at 24 months. Housing + zero expectations around recovery clearly isn’t cutting it. No matter how you try to reframe the argument, the data still supports the critique.

@printer_punk @guyfelicella Data? What data do you have troll? 🧌

@ForeverUnitedFU @guyfelicella Outcomes > insults. Data favors the critique.

@printer_punk @guyfelicella Says the guy attacking addicts to feel superior.

@ForeverUnitedFU @guyfelicella Notice how fast this turned from defending the policies to personal insults. That usually happens when people can’t defend the outcomes anymore.

@printer_punk @guyfelicella It’s prohibition that doesn’t work Morón. You don’t want anything g but to attack and insult addicts to feel better about your self. You are a narcissist. Fuck off already. Take the L

@guyfelicella @ForeverUnitedFU No, I understood it perfectly. You just don’t like the implications.

@ForeverUnitedFU @printer_punk I guess he has a hard time comprehending the post.

You keep trying to demonize me because I’m questioning policies that clearly aren’t working. I want to see people off the streets. I’m tired of watching people slowly destroy themselves while bodies pile up and taxpayers fund the collapse. If wanting better outcomes makes me a hater, so be it.

@printer_punk @guyfelicella You are a liar and a hater

Guy’s post is about far more than rehab. He’s defending a housing first, low expectations ideology where sobriety requirements are demonized, accountability is framed as cruelty, and taxpayers are expected to fund the consequences forever. So yes, I’m criticizing policies that normalize endless addiction management while calling anyone who questions the results heartless. That is not the same thing as attacking rehab, no matter how hard you try to twist it.

@printer_punk @guyfelicella You said repeatedly, “endless enabling.” That isn’t what Guy is suggesting. Rehab is the opposite of “endless enabling.”

what are u talking about ? I never said rehab is permanent dependency. I said policies with zero expectations, endless enabling, and no pressure toward recovery creates permanent dependency. If the current model was working so well, overdoses, encampments, repeat ER calls, and public disorder wouldn’t be exploding years later.

@printer_punk @guyfelicella False dichotomy. Why don’t need to lie? Rehab is not permanent dependency. It is the opposites. Stop lying.

@ForeverUnitedFU @guyfelicella And who told you endless enabling, zero expectations, open drug use, and permanent dependency help recovery? Because after billions spent, the streets are worse, overdoses are worse, and the crisis is worse.

@printer_punk @guyfelicella Recovery? Who told you punishment and hardship help recovery?

The idea that it’s either SCS or addicts shooting up in front of kids in public parks is a false choice. The real alternatives are: 1. aggressive treatment and recovery programs that actually help people get clean. and.. 2. basic law enforcement that says, “No, you can’t use hard drugs in public or in front of children.” 🤯

If you don't support supervised consumption sites then I guess you support open drug use in front of people .... including children 🤯

@guyfelicella Reading a land acknowledgment before meetings doesn’t help people actually suffering. It’s performative symbolism tricking people to believe it is real action.

Conservatives love saying “don’t erase history” right up until the history makes them uncomfortable. A land acknowledgement is literally just acknowledging reality: Indigenous people were here first, treaties exist, and colonization happened. That’s not “racist,” that’s history. What’s actually concerning is how some people are so fragile they hear basic respect for Indigenous peoples and immediately feel attacked. Imagine being offended by truth, respect, and reconciliation. 🇨🇦

I understand the role SCS play. I’m evaluating the entire system and downstream outcomes, not just whether one intervention performed its immediate function. My goal is helping people stabilize so they don’t remain trapped in crisis loops for years, living on the streets, overdosing repeatedly, and eventually dying anyway.

@printer_punk @guyfelicella THE POINT OF SCS ISNT LONG TERM STABAILIZATION. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD, THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE. IT'S TO PREVENT OD DEATH, SCREEN SUBSTANCES, BUILD RAPPORT WITH HEALTHCARE, HEALTHTEACH, INITATE TREATMENT PATHWAYS, THAT YES INCLUDE REHAB AND ADDITIONAL TREATMENT. IT'S ONE PIECE

If you don’t support supervised consumption sites, then what do you support? Because people are already using drugs in public spaces. Closing sites doesn’t stop drug use, it just means more people use alone, overdose alone, and die alone! thetyee.ca/News/2026/05/0…

Your personal attacks don’t change the data. I spend my time studying high-frequency EMS, ER, shelter, and police utilization patterns. The evidence for SCS is strong around immediate overdose prevention. I’m not arguing that. The debate is about long-term stabilization, because it’s becoming far more clear that these models don’t actually reduce chronic addiction and the same people repeatedly cycling through EMS, ERs, shelters, police, and overdoses. That’s exactly why the conversation around the limits of voluntary models is growing. When someone overdoses 20-30x, it’s pretty clear that they are too deep in addiction or mental illness to make rational decisions.

@printer_punk @guyfelicella Then you're not listening to experts. It's spoken to all the time. You're just here to attack SCS and present strawman arguments when people defend it, it seems. "Measureable recovery" there are hundreds of studies you can start reviewing if you like. "Mandatory treatment"

@Ki_flows @guyfelicella Why does the convo always stop at defending scs, but gets very uncomfortable when people ask for measurable recovery, stabilization, mandatory treatment pathways for repeat overdoses, or accountability for surrounding disorder?

@printer_punk @guyfelicella Supervised housing models address those points. Do you believe that those who work in mental health and addictions aren't aware of this? Advocating for SCS/OPS is not mutually exclusive with safe housing and rehab which are also advocated for. It's baffling.

I’m not arguing that people should overdose alone. The question is whether supervised sites are part of a pathway out of the crisis, or whether the same people keep cycling through overdoses, EMS, ERs, police, shelters, and the sites themselves for years with no measurable stabilization.

@printer_punk @guyfelicella And without SCS users are more likely to use alone and not have antidotes, the ability to live and recover. SCS reduce OD deaths near them.

@Ki_flows @guyfelicella Housing is the foundation. But housing without treatment, stabilization, accountability, and coordinated intervention just turns apartments into private crisis zones.

@printer_punk @guyfelicella Great, so advocate for housing too.

@greggsymonds @DailyMail Using whataboutism to defend adults exposing schoolchildren to sexualized performances is incredibly telling.

@DailyMail Oh those Canadian 🏫 school children. Shootin' up schools ..robbing jewelry stores. Car jackings. Killing homeless folks for their booze. Selling there images on line for spending 💰. But Oh no.. Watch out for a sleazy drag queen 👸 JChrist. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄