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@q_squared_
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Katılım Nisan 2020
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@rocollos nonbinary never highlighted "no gender" tho and agender specifically as a gendered term (as in, a term for a gender experience) vs not has been a discussion within the community for many years, some agender ppl have always felt it was a term for their gender identity
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@q_squared_ @quackupward @sillybutch it’s my bad because of my wording but i didn’t mean “new”, as in literally new or replacing non-binary. i meant it, like it’s non-binary, where it highlights “no gender” but it’s just becoming another gendered label in society.
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I feel kind of oppositely if that makes sense
bartholomew cameron crave@camliekr
i dont like how non-binary is viewed as a label rather than just. my actual gender. idk if this this makes sense
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@heythereelizah there are plenty of more specific genders under the nonbinary umbrella. as an umbrella term it covers genders that are not exclusively either man or woman. for some ppl "my gender is not exclusively man or woman" is a specific as they can or want to get so they id as nonbinary.
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I think humans are lazy & boring bc we have so much free will and endless creativity yet we call a third gender ‘not the other 2’ 🌚 why did we not give non -binary its own name?
Also, ppl see it as an identity bc they associate it with the legibitiqua community!
bartholomew cameron crave@camliekr
i dont like how non-binary is viewed as a label rather than just. my actual gender. idk if this this makes sense
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@oncebitcore there are more than two genders. nonbinary can be both a gender that is not exclusively man or woman and an umbrella term for genders in general that are not exclusively man or woman, including agender/genderless/gender neutral ppl.
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we need to stop trying to force non binary to become a third gender when that kinda goes against the whole point. ur just trying to turn the binary into a trinary lmfao
bartholomew cameron crave@camliekr
i dont like how non-binary is viewed as a label rather than just. my actual gender. idk if this this makes sense
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isn’t the whole point of being non binary that you have no gender or did i make that up
bartholomew cameron crave@camliekr
i dont like how non-binary is viewed as a label rather than just. my actual gender. idk if this this makes sense
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@KnightTimeWalk @sillybutch imo, not letting genderqueer fall to the wayside due to "queer is a slur" discourse around ten years ago would have opened more vocab for ppl who don't associate with gender/aren't a gender other than exclusively man or women
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@sillybutch “Non-binary” is an interesting community cause like 50% are “this is a third gender I identify with “ and the other 50% are “I don’t asssociate with gender as a concept so this is a label”
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@rocollos @quackupward @sillybutch agender, along with ungendered, was around before nonbinary (or at least before nonbinary was highly popularised), it's not the new term for not having a gender or being genderless, it didn't replace nonbinary
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@quackupward @sillybutch exactamente! i think the societal need for labels also affects this, because “agender” is now the new “i don’t have a gender” but it feels like just another ‘secret third thing.’ sometimes things are better off left unlabeled, unfortunately probably societally impossible.
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@deligny_alice yeah, I don't expect a straight guy to do much. but it all kind of applies to anyone who feels like they're also attracted to nbi ppl. there's an overall lack of interest in recognizing other genders when it's easier to just assume we're all fine being auto included everywhere.
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@q_squared_ Like that might be rarer in straight guys but that's possible.
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I think the argument that lesbians are also multisexual because it includes nonbinary people is a bit odd bc straight people also date nonbinary people so then every sexuality would be multisexual and the term loses meaning, I assumed the point of multisexual was that attraction
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@deligny_alice when, ultimately, it's about how lots of primarily mono attracted ppl don't want to id as mspec, even if they're attracted to multiple genders, because of biphobia, and also lots of ppl simply don't actually believe in nonbinary genders. but it's being presented as inclusion.
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@deligny_alice They aren't, no. Like, it applies universally. Any of them may or may not be multisexual based on the ppl involved, but the latest reasoning is this "well, since straight ppl degender nbi ppl & don't think about being mspec, it's fine for lesbians & gay ppl to do it too".
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@deligny_alice ..to all nbi ppl due to the idea that nbi genders are not equal to binary genders.
A lesbian (anyone) should think about being attracted to multiple genders instead of only thinking of nonbinary genders as extra nothings that are somehow not as distinct from women as men are.
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@deligny_alice We're not talking about a nonbinary person who includes themselves in mono straight attraction. Same as we're not talking about a trans man who includes himself in men's mono straight attraction. If it's their choice then there's no problem.
The problem is applying that choice..
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@deligny_alice If he is continually claimed to not be attracted to multiple genders, his partner's gender is not a real gender/equal to the binary genders, he would never id as mspec because there's no reason, and that his attraction to women is the same as to his partner is it acknowledging?
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@q_squared_ I mean if he respects them he at least aknowledges who they are so, that's what you're asking ?
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@deligny_alice we're talking about the recent but increasingly acceptable degendering of nonbinary genders to not only allow, but encourage, primarily mono attracted ppl to deny even the thought of being multisexual so that binary genders can be prioritized and held separately from all others
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@q_squared_ And like it's cool and all that mspec orgs & communities have conceptualized nbinary genders but that's not really what we're talking about. We're talking about people in general.
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@deligny_alice If a straight man is attracted to other genders based on appearence, but only needs to discuss how he views the other person's gender, his multi gender attraction, and if the person includes themselves in his mono straight attraction with the binary person then that's exorsexism
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@deligny_alice That was already acknowledged. We were discussing a straight man attracted to a trans man based on appearence, same as being attracted to a nonbinary person. You said wrt a relationship it's a different question for both, but that this doesn't apply with the nonbinary person.
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@deligny_alice you said a straight man (so attracted primarily to women) can be attracted to other genders but should only think about being multi gender attracted if dating the other binary gender. Exorsexism.
I think ppl shouldn't auto deny that nbi genders count in mspec attraction.
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@q_squared_ I don't know how that's what's coming out of my speech but whatever. If you think lesbians can like nb people you think that any sexuality can like nb people. Or, alternativel, you think only bi people can. Which I think is strange honestly.
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@deligny_alice there are various orientations that are nonbinary focused
#Usually_attracted_to_nonbinary_people" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">nonbinary.wiki/wiki/Romantic_…
and for a long time the mspec community recognized that there are more than two genders and that multi gender attraction could include a variety of different combinations of them. recent backslide.
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@q_squared_ Lets you consider we should create a specific orientation for people specifically into nb people. But like the whole deal is they fall outside the usual binary that dominates all our understanding of sexuality.
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@deligny_alice strange things like... acknowledging that you don't believe that nonbinary genders are real/are real genders/are equal to the binary genders, you sure do
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@deligny_alice But not a different question for entering a relationship with nonbinary ppl?
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@q_squared_ Well kinda, yeah, that's the messiness of real life. Some straight guys have definitely been attracted to some trans guys. If they enter a relationship, though, that's a very different question for both of them though.
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