JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！

@r8raq

PQC Quantum-Safe Strategy fr 2017 CryptoMaxi, Proof-of-Work maxi 正在推动比特币：要么抗量子计算机的破解，要么归零 #Raqcoin #Algorand #Kaspa #Mochimo #QRLedger https://t.co/UhtNC6xXsN

https://youtube.com/@JediAgu Katılım Mart 2022

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！@r8raq·6 Kas

Huge congratulations to Mr.President Donald Trump @realDonaldTrump Please don’t add bitcoin to the US federal reserve! Because it could probably be 0 in quantum computer times! just keep waiting for another 2 years, we all gonna find it! Ok?! Congratulations!

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！@r8raq·3h

Blockchain's Mortality on the way to quantum-safe: 1, #Bitcoin 99% 2, #Ethereum #Solana #Tron 70% 3, #BNB 60# #Shitcoins 100%

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！@r8raq·3h

@malekanoms @intangiblecoins True! The security budget is too an issue just upcoming over there! of course, to be quantm-safe is also a mission-impossible too!

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Omid Malekan@malekanoms·6h

@intangiblecoins That Bitcoin faces growing headwinds given miners are switching to datacenters, the quantum threat looms with no easy answers, and a security budget crisis now looks inevitable?

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Alex Thorn@intangiblecoins·1d

can i say something?

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！@r8raq·5h

@Kerry_PQC 这是所谓的Technical nuances, 无论格，还是哈希函数签名，在门限实现上都有问题，至于上述CellFrame，XX-Network如何解决实施门限，是否足够同行评审，实施过程中，有多少硬件软件固件的问题，以及问题有多大，在没实际实施前，不好评估，但大概率有问题，或者是一定有问题。实际实施后，那就等着瞧。

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Kerry｜ᚱ@Kerry_PQC·13h

有个问题想请教古校长：今天古校长@r8raq 直播说用格算法搞门限签名搞多签都会有问题但是cellframe 已经上线多签地址，XX network将要上线多签地址。他们一个用的格一个用的哈希。难道都是假的或者有问题的？

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！@r8raq·5h

@Kerry_PQC 不！它在门限，聚合，多签的不同场景下，另有其他途径，解释起来，一般人欠缺背景常识和概念，可能听不懂。

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Kerry｜ᚱ@Kerry_PQC·12h

简单学习了下格或者哈希搞多签还是在理论上能实现的不过就是体积显著增大的问题。但是搞门限签名哈希本身算法因素基本不可能实现格存在噪声问题而难度爆炸。但是采用了公钥压缩专利的多变量算法同样搞多签非常容易但是搞门限签名貌似也是难度爆炸。是这样吗？@r8raq

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！@r8raq·5h

@thebillyboone @blockspace @conordeegan Probably！

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Billy ₿oone@thebillyboone·4d

@blockspace @conordeegan rolling your own crypto to prepare for quantum computers is how you get hacked before the quantum computers even show up.

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Blockspace@blockspace·4d

There's a number of post-quantum solutions for Bitcoin, but they all have tradeoffs says @conordeegan Even popular schemes like SHRIMPS & SHRINCS have issues, including that they're "roll your own crypto".

Blockspace@blockspace

You're all wrong about Meta. Tune in now to find out why! also: ☑️ $SPCX in NASDAQ 100 ☑️ Quantum Bitcoin ☑️ Meta INCREASING AI spend guest: @bulldogholmes @HIVEDigitalTech / @conordeegan @projecteleven x.com/i/broadcasts/1…

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！@r8raq·5h

“@conordeegan 指出，针对比特币已有一些备选的抗量子算法，但它们都存在权衡取舍。即便是 SHRIMPS 和 SHRINCS 这样广受关注的算法，也存在问题，其中包括它们属于“自研加密算法”（roll-your-own crypto）这一弊端。”

Blockspace@blockspace

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TheTradingLab@TheTradingLabTH·1d

อธิบายเรื่อง Bitcoin กับความเสี่ยงจาก quantum computer ครับ

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@TransformPR @michaelterpin @CoinDesk Agree with Michael @michaelterpin Actually even quantum could destroy bitcoin totally, we can NOT delete any amount of anyone's bitcoins as it's obviously a blatant massive serve violation of private property rights! It's unethical radically!

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@elonmusk @IBM @grok Elon @elonmusk quantum is having a pernicious impact on bitcoin's ECC digital signature, not SHA256. Bitcoin will very probably be zero in decade(s) once it can not migrate to fully quantum-safe in a timely manner, unfortunately...... Thanks for watching and sharing！

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Bitcoin will be 0！ Pls retweet to anyone who are pro-bitcoin，anyone now in Nashville for #bitcoin2024 The reason is that all quantum-secure algos get very big key/sig size！ 1MB blocksize of bitcoin？impossible for any quantum-secure！an unplausible trade-off！ Zero！

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！@r8raq·2d

@FutureDies The Bitcoin definitely gets trouble of threshold, multi-sig, to take either hash-based sphincs+ Shrimps, or lattice-based. Any more algos choice for bitcoin's quantum-safe?

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！@r8raq·19h

@FutureDies Ok, great to know! thanks!

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Dariia Porechna 🇺🇦@FutureDies·19h

@r8raq The thing is every custody stack is already bespoke so the architecture would adapt to the providers workflow

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Dariia Porechna 🇺🇦@FutureDies·1d

One important motivation for this work was to preserve TSS-style custody while leaving the signature algorithm completely standard. The architecture below preserves compliant ML-DSA, SLH-DSA post-quantum signature implementations while moving threshold logic into an independent authorization layer.

Dariia Porechna 🇺🇦@FutureDies

My paper on post-quantum custody is now live on arXiv. The core idea: institutions can preserve distributed t-of-n authorization without building a threshold version of every post-quantum signature scheme. Thanks to @fengchen06 @veorq and @paarrthhbirla for review and discussions on security and practical deployment 1/

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！@r8raq·20h

@FutureDies Get no ideal detailed situation but it explicitly needs to do some trade-offs.

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Dariia Porechna 🇺🇦@FutureDies·22h

@r8raq For example?

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！@r8raq·1d

接近100%，抱歉修改一下！

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！@r8raq·1d

我100%赞成 @techleadhd 的观点，无论是比特币不能完全及时升级迁移到抗量子算法，还是安全预算有关的矿工激励，以及完全地自我主权并不符合各国监管。在抗量子破解的加密货币新世界里，比特币应该被彻底放弃！才能令到全球新资本轮转进入！才能下一两三代人。

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吴说区块链@wublockchain12

前 Meta 工程师：量子计算和矿工是比特币的两颗定时炸弹前 Meta 工程师 @techleadhd 认为，比特币还有两颗尚未引爆的定时炸弹：一是量子计算，未来可能攻破比特币钱包的加密机制，而社区始终拿不出统一应对方案；二是矿工收入危机——目前约 95% 比特币已被挖出，手续费经济却始终没能建立起来，一旦手续费枯竭，矿工退出、网络安全下降的连锁反应可能被触发。他也认为，比特币"主权货币"的设想过于理想化，各国政府难以容忍自己无法管控的系统。来源： TechLead

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！@r8raq·1d

當你看到《Bitcoin Magazine》現在在討論「解除 OP_RETURN 上限」（讓比特幣能塞更多資料）或是 Bailey 與技術編輯對比特幣未來方向的論述時，要記得這家媒體不是中立的觀察者，而是有強烈商業利益在裡面（Ordinals、Rare BTC、UTXO 投資等）。他們的報導方向，很可能受到自身商業布局的影響。

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JIN LIU: be quantum-safe or 0 正推动比特币要么抗量子破解，要么归零！@r8raq·1d

@memelover6996 两年前左右，仍然有很多人说 “抗量子是骗局，量子是骗局”的

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抗量子治疗师@memelover6996·1d

最近确实发现说抗量子是骗局忽悠的叼毛少了，是自己被打脸了还是退圈赔光了

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@malekanoms @intangiblecoins @Kerry_PQC @thebillyboone @blockspace @conordeegan @TransformPR @michaelterpin