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Friendly reminder that the Rosary is older than every Protestant religion.

@WilliamHil73946 @coach_spencerh How do you know it’s from the Apostles? For that matter, how do you know Matthew wrote Matthew? The author doesn’t identify himself and there are definitely pseudepigrapha, no?

@radtradcathguy @coach_spencerh The scripture is from the apostles and Christ himself... that has nothing to do with people organizing it in a binder. So long as they aren't changing it. The apostles had authority. You're not going to 'gotcha' me here.

Mormons are genuinely some of the nicest people I've ever met. That doesn't change the fact that they believe some utterly retarded things that place them firmly outside the bounds of even lowest common denominator Christianity.

@WilliamHil73946 @coach_spencerh Well, that would mean you accept the canon of scripture from people you think hold no authority. Why listen to what they have to say?

@radtradcathguy @coach_spencerh Ah - I meant the original apostles who held authority from Christ. The people who compiled it were obviously much later down the line, so they would likely be more or less Catholic. I'm not sure the people who compiled are relevant for the context of the scripture?

@WilliamHil73946 @coach_spencerh No I mean the people who put together the New Testament canon

@radtradcathguy @coach_spencerh The new testament? Acts, epistles etc.

@WilliamHil73946 @coach_spencerh You would assume they share your faith? Have you read them?

@radtradcathguy @coach_spencerh There's a ton of assumption there, again. I would assume they share MY faith, just as you believe they share yours. Also there's a lot of concerning well documented history of when the early church would silence dissenters and destroy any contrary writings.

@WilliamHil73946 @coach_spencerh Looking at the New Testament operates under the presupposition that the people who compiled the canon share your faith. We can read their writings, so we know what they believed.

@radtradcathguy @coach_spencerh We believe that we can look at the New Testament, of course. However, it will always be read and anchored to the context of your current faith.

@WilliamHil73946 @coach_spencerh Right... but we can read these people from the early Church. Those texts are available and we can compare them to current doctrine.

@radtradcathguy @coach_spencerh In our belief, the point of the "restoration" was to "restore" Christ's original historical church. Again - if you believe authority was lost, it's natural to believe it must be restored. So - you believe the historical continuity survived, we don't. I agree that is a big divide.

@WilliamHil73946 @coach_spencerh I think the biggest divide is actually the historical continuity. Where were your beliefs in the early days of the Church?

@radtradcathguy @coach_spencerh This is one of our biggest divides. You believe ownership of the term "Christian" belongs to the ecclesiology. I believe it belongs to Christ to determine his disciples. i.e. 'by this shall men know ye are my disciples - if ye have love one for another' among other verses.

Possessing orthodox Christian beliefs in continuity with historical beliefs of the ecclesial body established by Jesus Christ and His apostles. Recognizing the importance of being subject to a normative authority that governs and adjudicates those historic beliefs by apostolic succession through divine revelation. Avoiding willful and obstinate heterodoxy. That's where I would start, I suppose.

@radtradcathguy @coach_spencerh I am always happy to have a coherent discussion about beliefs. But as soon as you start saying MY beliefs are "retarded" it's clear that's not what you're looking for. What would you propose are the qualifications to be "Christian"?

@MikeKratville You should have written it on textual eisegesis since you're able to read bullshit that was never said into the text of a tweet.

@radtradcathguy I should have written my dissertation on "how amazingly dumb people are when they argue their religion is better or more faithful than others' religions are".

@MikeKratville The whole point is that being nice doesn't make you right.

@radtradcathguy One would have to admit, like it or not, that Mormons are a whole group act more Christlike than any other denomination.

@JohnSmithbzwt @bangbangboom22 Ok good job you convinced me

@radtradcathguy @bangbangboom22 Ok. god still isn’t real

@JohnSmithbzwt @bangbangboom22 That’s not an argument

@radtradcathguy @bangbangboom22 If you believe in something real, you’d be able to prove it.

@Emydius @BreeSolstad This post isn’t questioning what’s allowed, but rather what’s good for you

@radtradcathguy @BreeSolstad The issue in this post is a person thinking they know the mind of Christ better than his Church.

Don’t do it, friends. 🙏

@t_casson Yeah but we wouldn't say that it would be fine to rewrite or alter holy scripture simply on the basis that it produced a favorable moral outcome

@radtradcathguy The book of mormon is whacky. However, the string of morality running through it is basically wesleyan methodism

@JohnSmithbzwt @bangbangboom22 You know, if I believe something that's actually retarded like you claim, it should be pretty easy to refute with argumentation instead of ad homs.

@radtradcathguy @bangbangboom22 Big brain, whatever you need to tell yourself.

@t_casson I don't want anything but peace, but not at the cost of truth. Christ said he came not to bring peace, but the sword.

@radtradcathguy My uncle is a mormon bishop. I’m catholic and i’ve read the book of mormon. Let’s call it a sect of Christianity to keep the peace.

@LDSLaw Christ called people, real children of God, a den of vipers, because they screwed up doctrine.

In all the sturm und drang of the Mormon/Christian imbroglio here, the one thing that gets missed is this: real flesh and blood people are NOT abstractions. They are. . . people. Fellow children of God. I see very little of Christ in the loud "Christians" on 𝕏 because they keep abstracting my people. It's a form of dehumanization, and as I read Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John, I just don't see Jesus doing that at all.

@JohnSmithbzwt @bangbangboom22 I don't think you know what an argument is, because you haven't given one.

@radtradcathguy @bangbangboom22 Just because you don’t like the arguments I gave, does not mean they don’t exist, like your god, who doesn’t exist. Or maybe you can’t read complete sentences, that’s very common among Christian men.