Rick Buczynski

@brentwpeterson @Sisu_Runner @slicknet That’s great. I loved reading about XSLT. Just never found a practical use for it 😆

@rickbuczynski @Sisu_Runner @slicknet I still have my XSLT book - I can't even remember what I used it for now, but it was amazing!

What resources did you use to learn web development?

@brentwpeterson Dreamweaver UltraDev, Microsoft Frontpage, and Macromedia Flash Help Docs; and whatever Google was like in 1999.

@brentwpeterson @Sisu_Runner @slicknet +1 for XML books. I really loved them. Anybody who can say that probably ended up building on Magento 😉 Also QBASIC is where I cut my teeth in programming.

@Sisu_Runner @slicknet I used to sneak into the library in Grade School and hack Oregon Trail on the Commodore 64

@kalenjordan @dazz0_716 @AaronSheehan @philwinkle @willemwigman @max_pronko Is that a subtle reference to Mediotype? 😢 😉

@rickbuczynski @dazz0_716 @AaronSheehan @philwinkle @willemwigman @max_pronko it's only slightly less horrifying than watching your best friend being devoured by a pack of zombies

Magento has always been composable commerce. Fight me.

@kalenjordan @dazz0_716 @AaronSheehan @philwinkle @willemwigman @max_pronko I can no longer be saved ☠️

@rickbuczynski @dazz0_716 @AaronSheehan @philwinkle @willemwigman @max_pronko did you just say decisioning? quick someone pull rick out of the consulting game - he's too far gone.

@ShaunMccran @AaronSheehan @philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko Yes, that tooling has been critical for the community.

@ShaunMccran @AaronSheehan @philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko Right. So I think Aaron’s point was that because upgrades aren’t by default managed by the vendor, it isn’t SaaS. I partly agree.

@ShaunMccran @AaronSheehan @philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko The consulting arm is what handles automatic upgrades, though, right? I guess this is where the SaaS definition is fuzzy for me. What clients are actually using it? I come from a part of the ecosystem where upgrades are a challenge / it’s not possible for the vendor to manage.

@ShaunMccran @dazz0_716 @AaronSheehan @philwinkle @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko True. Headless in particular I hear in SMB circles. Maybe it’s the generation of “digital natives” eager for modern tech. I don’t know. But the terms are often thrown around as table stakes without real knowledge of what it means, takes, or COSTS.

@ShaunMccran @AaronSheehan @philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko That’s a more accurate depiction IMO. I was trying to take the convo more broad, beyond Adobe Commerce, into what really qualifies as SaaS.

@AaronSheehan @philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko The article says that those are the most common traits of SaaS, not a MUST have. But point taken. General consensus should consider vendor-provided updates as a qualifier 👍

@rickbuczynski @philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_… & then en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_…. Adobe Commerce Cloud doesn't deliver the Magento software to merchants. It hosts infra and tooling to do so. SFCC, Shopify, and BC all deliver app updates to merchants automatically. Adobe does *not* for MCloud

@AaronSheehan @philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko Yea. Admittedly I smirk when I hear it called SaaS. But it reinforces my question about its definition. As Phil said, more of “it’s all relative,” maybe. We adapt the term to fit our understanding or to be counted. My question is whether there’s an authority on it.

@rickbuczynski @philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko I mean, Adobe doesn't claim M Cloud is SaaS publicly. Their reps have in the past. The fact that they can't publicly claim it's SaaS is why they say PaaS in docs: experienceleague.adobe.com/docs/commerce-…

@AaronSheehan @philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko Well I guess we’re expanding the definition of SaaS then, or refining it. Anyway yes it does for patches by some definition using ECE tools. For upgrades of course not but I don’t see that as a requirement for SaaS qualification. Is there an official definition?

@rickbuczynski @philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko Wait Adobe installs security patches on your clients sites? And deploys upgrades to the application?

@AaronSheehan @dazz0_716 @philwinkle @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko I resemble that remark 👀

@dazz0_716 @philwinkle @kalenjordan @rickbuczynski @willemwigman @max_pronko No that’s about right :) I don’t recommend it for any merchant without IT chops. For those who can do it though, makes it easy to say yes to new channels bc they aren’t busy installing 2.4.5p2

@AaronSheehan @philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko They do, though. Even if it’s white-labeled. Does that really matter to qualify it as SaaS? Isn’t Shopify or BC just private software deployed on a Cloud and probably relying on some of that provider’s managed services?

@rickbuczynski @philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko They neither deploy nor manage it though.

@dazz0_716 @AaronSheehan @philwinkle @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko Yes, merchant scale matters. $5-10M leaves little room for infrastructure growth investment.

@AaronSheehan @philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @willemwigman @max_pronko Agreed. That’s why I think we need to define it better (as a community). And yes I have heard that. It’s “SaaS on a PaaS.” 😆 but really is that wrong? It’s deployed, managed software in the cloud.

@philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @rickbuczynski @willemwigman @max_pronko I think the benefits of composability and headless are oversold but I think if we start whitewashing those terms to apply to any platform with an API then the cost-benefits will be impossible to evaluate. Terms matter. Have you heard Adobe sell MCloud as “SaaS”? I have.

@philwinkle @dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @AaronSheehan @willemwigman @max_pronko Yassss.

@dazz0_716 @kalenjordan @AaronSheehan @rickbuczynski @willemwigman @max_pronko maybe. sometimes I think that we've finally stopped finding new and interesting ways to enforce developer-driven ideological purity that spurs tribalism and limits businesses from actually succeeding. and then we create new ones lol.

@AaronSheehan @willemwigman @kalenjordan @max_pronko True. How do we define “composable” then? If I can activate a single function of a platform and deploy it in my commerce stack, that’s composable. Technically Magento can do this but mileage varies greatly 😆

@willemwigman @kalenjordan @max_pronko @rickbuczynski I totally agree - maybe I'm misunderstanding. There are tons of benefits for a tightly coupled architecture, and I don't think Magento is composable by any real stretch.