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@ALYAPOH Reframing the thought experiment is important to make the blue voters realize the gravity of their choice, simple as. Pressing a button isn't scary, but the consequences would be the same as jumping into a crusher (if they lose the bet)

im team Red cause im selfish but how do you not understand a thought experiment this simple

@HardwireMedia The premise is faulty for sure, a more realistic interpretation would definitely go very differently, when you take into consideration, factors like the bystander effect, peer pressure, anxiogenic situation, and ton more psychological phenomenon, the situation becomes complicate

These red-button reframings only make their case look worse. Of course framing matters. People are programmed not to jump into wood chippers or in front of trains. But in the original Tim Urban framing, a ton of kids would pick blue because it sounds like the brave, obvious “save everyone” choice. They’re not thinking game theory. They’re thinking: help the group, do the right thing, stop the train. So choosing red in that framing is basically abandoning the people most likely to be fooled by the premise, including children. That’s why the framing matters. It can literally create different moral realities. Red voters are chalked.

@monsterprom Its a good essay, but the flaws with this experiment is that its too narrowminded, its not always just blue and red, there's shades of purple in there in every single situation you can think of, you need healthy dose of red in order to be able to press that blue button, its vital

The red/blue button situation has been intense, huh? One of the strangest (or saddest) things to witness is that people getting heated about "RED BUTTON IS THE ONLY LOGICAL SOLUTION" seem near incapable of framing the thought experiment outside a purely individualistic lens.

@not__vee @sleepy_devo Dev is a pathological liar, manipulator and all around shitty person, he makes us all, leaves, look bad

I don't think you're a creeper. But you do seem to tick off too many women. Kirsche, Pippa, Aydin, Shoe, you prolly ticked off the kettle too if she knew of you. Like obviously some in the list may not be your fault or w/e but you are collecting female grudges like pokemon cards.

aydin paladin acting like i am some kind of creeper, when i literally had to tell her to go away and stop bothering me for YEARS, is an insane level of gaslighting this is the kind of thing that only the most delusional drunkard bitches could bring themselves to say

@KamuriSama I've been banned from another discord server for... reasons XD not everyone enjoys being around us

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@MentisWave Gibs me dat!!! Don't care no moar!! Baby I'm a millionaire!!! get out of ma way!!!

This is one of those choices where anyone who gets it wrong should immediately and permanently lose their right to vote.

@SfwLynnieV2 As long as you dissociates arts and fiction from reality, that's all you need to fight the good fight

You know, a few weeks ago i made a post that i deleted where i said every lolicon is bigoted and racist. But now, after the thing happened to Mimi, i realize why we act the way we do. There shouldn't be mercy towards ANY Anti. None. If you genuinely believe that a person should get arrested and doxxed over Drawings then i want you to be FAR away from me and children before you infect it with your mental illness. Antis don't deserve any mercy. It's genuinely so upsetting.

@lporiginalg To think we were told to never trust strangers, especially on the internet... how far we have fallen as a society

Redcels won't believe this, but some people make a distinction between "nothing" and "mass genocide."

@hagarchive @CptAncapistan you think the collectivist brained communist would press red? you're even stupider than you look :P ( sorry Ako, this wasn't meant for you )

@sartnow @CptAncapistan The fact you think any actual commie would be a factual blue button presser in the real scenario deals a bigger blow to your perceived intellect than I ever could have

Okay, thought of another wrinkle. If red wins by a large margin, then everyone who is alive pressed red. We all know we all pressed red. That actually builds some social cohesion. But if blue wins, people will spend the rest of their lives suspecting people of pressing red. Admitting to have pressed red will make you a social pariah. There may even be calls to find and punish anyone who pressed red. This would create a highly paranoid society going forward. A narrow red victory is still a disaster scenario, but a dominant red victory may actually be better than a blue victory.

@hagarchive @CptAncapistan defection? as if I was ever part of your commune, you filthy communist :P

@sartnow @CptAncapistan Oh no, I'm getting hypothetical retribution for my hypothetical defection!

@CapitolMoment @flaminhottweets @questionableway this whole experiment cooked a lot of brains XD

@flaminhottweets @questionableway Yes, I would save the innocent over the murderers

The red-blue button experiment is occurring. The aliens running it single you out and inform you that blue is going to fail 49-51. However, they are offering you a chance to push a green button and make it so all who pressed blue live and all who pressed red die. Do you push it?

@flaminhottweets no, because then chaos ensues, every blue person can never believe each other and must live with the guilt and the mystery of never understanding what happened, why the red people died and all that, society crumbles and falls into anarchy

@GremlinIndustry @CptAncapistan That's a generalization, you can't pay off everybody on the red side, in reality, most have principles and convictions. Same for blue, but if they are willing to risk it for some greater goals, they are more susceptible to foreign influence, like the red asshole you think of

@sartnow @CptAncapistan The easiest person to control is the one you can just pay off

@keysmashbandit Give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day Teach a man to fish and he will be fed for life You do not kill the man who won't fish if he starves, the responsibility to maintain the system doesn't fall on the individual

Two things: 1. The best* result is not "everyone lives" but rather "You do not die." I think a lot of people are being idealistic about this, saying it's selfish, etc, but you're already making that exact tradeoff every day. You make choices that maximize your chance of continuing to not just remain alive but also very comfortable, even at the expense of bettering other people's shot of continuing to be alive (you could live in a shoebox and donate all your money to buy malaria nets, for instance). 2. Since childhood I've tried many strategies to explain logic puzzles to members of my family, and it rarely works out. You probably have family members like this as well. Anyway, I'm not making a positive argument about the thought experiment. But I think it's very silly to pretend (1) isn't true. You're already doing this! You do it all the time! * Best in the sense that A contains B. All people living is a very good outcome! But it's extremely important that you personally continue living, strategically. It's basically the most important thing. "No it's not you're just selfish" you're a liar and your lifestyle betrays you! Go volunteer at a soup kitchen!

@redrummarts Collectivist versus individualist, part of the system or not, the collectivist needs everyone to participate in their systems for them to work, while individualists needs only themselves to be left alone. Its a shitty thought experiment meant to make blue look beter than they are

Everyone who's picking red thinks blue is the suicide button. And everyone who picks blue thinks red is the murder button That's the only conclusion I'm getting from this

@DepressedWheel @marcell_hise This isn't reality, this was a thought experiment with no actual consequences, I didn't lose shit, you got to act as virtuous as you claim to be, from your high horse without putting your life on the line, this was a meaningless twitter poll

@sartnow @marcell_hise Hey so wanting the world to improve isn’t a death cult; also you lost

Blue voters believe that their choice is more moral, and it costs them nothing to make that choice. I invoke the power of Peter Singer's thought experiments. Voting blue does not cost nothing--it may actually cost you your life. If you would be willing to moralize about gambling your life away on a coin toss for the benefit of other people, then why don't you donate 100% of your disposable income to charity to save the lives of dying people today? If you value your personal agency (i.e. life-time) less than that of the totality of that of your fellow man, then why do you, the blue voter, refuse to put your money where your mouth is?

@DepressedWheel @marcell_hise Much like those cultists who thought they would get to meet their maker if only they killed themselves, because they were in a cult

@DepressedWheel @marcell_hise Think. In reality, everyone should look out for themselves, its the only way to truly minimize the losses, because seeking this utopic paradise isn't statistically probable, you're throwing your life against millenias of survival instinct and selfishness, you will lose and die