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Psychefunk
@thepsychefunk
☦️Orthodox Christian | 🇿🇦 | CEO of ULTRALOTUS | Currently working on Severed Saint | English, Afrikaans, 日本語
Katılım Kasım 2020
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@syd_bee3 With all due respect, the way you phrased the question made it seem as if you disapprove of men dating younger women, which is a very common opinion held by feminists. In my case, I had a knee-jerk reaction to your question.
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It’s kinda funny seeing the crash out from the men in the replies for asking a simple question.
Like I’m aware of biology lol and this isn’t an attack on men. Sheesh.
I’ve talked to my priest about this bc it’s happened at our parish and even he is like yeah when it comes to Marriage and selecting a suitable partner, it doesn’t make sense for a 35 year old to pursue the 18 year old if she’s immature and not even capable of being a wife yet.
In the Church, Marriage is serious and finding someone who is a good match is very important. It can ruin your life or be a blessing. Marriage is for your salvation.
With that said, I have witnessed too many late 20s to 30s men who come into the church and pursue the 18 year olds and it never works well for them the way they imagine. Yet they don’t like the 26 year old girls who are perfectly suitable and don’t have baggage and are pretty too.
Ive just never seen this work out well. Scripture also says being “equally yoked” is important too.
My priest is even baffled. Our retired priest of 30 years made a comment once of how he doesn’t really understand that in light of what the Saints tell us in terms of finding a good spouse. You can’t be led by only attraction and expect it to go well for you. This goes for both girls and boys.
Katherine ☦︎@syd_bee3
Why do men always prefer the really young ones? Its really weird to witness in the Church
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@thepsychefunk @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 Then you’ll have to inform dozens of Church Fathers and St. John
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Catholics claim EO has “no consensus” on marriage or contraception, when EO does. They just assume the papal magisterial model to the church when it didn’t operate that way in the first 1000 years. Ironically they're the most rigid on paper yet use annulment loopholes to pretend marriages never existed (raising awkward questions about the legitimacy of the children). It’s pharisaical.
We’ve always practiced economia, just as the West did in the first millenia. Remarriage isn’t encouraged, it’s rarely approved, and requires bishop approval (usually only in cases like abandonment), and the service is deliberately somber and penitential bc it values marriage highly.
We deal with the realities of fallen human life rather than creating legal fictions. Even their own Vatican docs (Chieti & Alexandria) admit the early Church operated through consensus and collegiality, not papal monarchy. The “messy history” argument isn’t a defeater, RCC shares those same “messy” centuries.
John A. Monaco@johnamonaco
> born in traditional Roman Catholic home in New England > entered seminary at 17 > became a reactionary liberal in response to institutionalized NOrmie conservative Catholicism > realized that progressive Catholicism was inextricably tied to banal liturgy and moral confusion > “Lex orandi, lex credendi”; re-embraced the TLM > realized I didn’t have to choose between Catholic social teaching and traditional liturgy, became trad > left seminary in 2016 to pursue academic path > became Orthodox inquirer after wrestling with questions of papal infallibility & jurisdiction, messy history of the Church > realized that in the early Church, papal primacy carried with it *actual* jurisdictional authority (not just “primacy of honor”) > realized that in the Eastern Orthodox world, there is no consensus as to what constitutes a valid baptism; some jurisdictions rebaptize Catholics, others just receive via Chrismation; realized that the concept of “economy” was used to mask major ecclesiological issues > realized that Eastern Orthodox teaching on contraception and divorce & remarriage was a capitulation to then-Imperial pressure and was less about the Gospel’s call to asceticism and theosis > realized the importance of being in communion with Rome as a mark of full catholicity > officially became Eastern Catholic (Melkite) > happily Catholic, irenic and warm to EOs and Protestants, praying they enter full communion with Christ’s Holy and Catholic Church
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@ArchangeloRom @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 The papacy is, to me, already a system level defeater. Along with Vatican I and II. So I don’t know what to tell you.
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@thepsychefunk @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 Many Orthodox just don’t like having the spotlight shined on a system level defeater.
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@SlowpokeCon @ArchangeloRom @syd_bee3 You don’t believe that Orthodoxy is the true Church, so of what concern is this to you? But yes, I agree with you.
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@thepsychefunk @ArchangeloRom @syd_bee3 Schism is one of the gravest sins possible. It wounds the entirety of the Body of Christ.
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@SlowpokeCon @ArchangeloRom @syd_bee3 That’s a good question. You should Google it. It’s not something I think or care about. I came to Orthodoxy through prayer and a willingness to repent, not through intellectual arguments. If you want intellectual arguments, listen to Jay Dyer’s debates. Not to a rando like me. 😂
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@thepsychefunk @ArchangeloRom @syd_bee3 Why does a local Church have a visible head but the Universal Church does not? It makes no sense.
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@ArchangeloRom @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 With all due respect, this isn’t something you have to worry or think about. You’re Roman Catholic.
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@thepsychefunk @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 I know many Greek Orthodox individuals this isn’t “obvious” to. It’s obvious to them that Moscow is being schismatic.
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@ArchangeloRom @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 I don’t make any assessments. I submit to my priest, my bishop, Church tradition, the saints, etc. I fundamentally reject the idea of the papacy because Christ is the head of the Church. If I accepted the papacy, I would be RC.
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So you would subjectively assess that Moscow is in the right? In the Church things are decided by authority, so that we know with objective certainty what is true. We know St. Peter is the rock on which the Church is built, not anyone else, so the Papacy would be correct in any schism. This is an objective criteria. Absent this, if Christ didn’t give us an objective criteria, only subjective ones, then He would have made unity impossible to achieve and maintain, and no way to resolve disputes with certainty.
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@thepsychefunk @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 So almost no Greek Orthodox or Alexandrian Orthodox are devout?
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@ArchangeloRom @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 If they split, I would simply remain Russian Orthodox. I would know for certain that I’m in the right church because Moscow didn’t create a new schismatic church out of thin air. This is my understanding. (Bear in mind, I don’t follow this stuff that closely)
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@thepsychefunk @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 If the EC and Moscow completely split, who is correct and how do you know with absolute dogmatic certainty?
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@ArchangeloRom @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 He is incorrect because he supports a schismatic group in the Ukraine. This is obvious to all devout EO Christians.
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@thepsychefunk @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 Is the EC correct or incorrect, and how do you know with certainty? How do you know for certain that the situation will resolve itself when multiple Sees have gone different directions in the past?
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@CatholicPrimer @SlowpokeCon @ArchangeloRom @syd_bee3 Strawman. If, for example, a woman has poor health and has been instructed to not have children for a few years and the husband struggles with lust, their priest may bless NFP for their salvation, as the prospect of adultery or self-abuse may be far more dangerous.
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@thepsychefunk @SlowpokeCon @ArchangeloRom @syd_bee3 That doesn’t make any sense. “Things never change, but they change on a per person basis.”
You just argued for subjectivity of truth.
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@ArchangeloRom @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 There are always schismatic groups. The RC church has also had schisms in the past and in our view schismed, as a whole, from us.
Also, the disagreement about contraception has to do with barriers and NFP. There are far bigger problems in RC as far as I’m concerned.
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@thepsychefunk @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 Then how can you criticize us? If you can’t figure out what the truth is, how can you say we are wrong? If the Church is the pillar and bulwark of the Truth, then it should be able to tell me the truth. There’s a schism within Orthodoxy over what ecclesiology is true.
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@ArchangeloRom @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 I’m sure you’re aware that we have issues with the Ecumenical Patriarch. We don’t have to submit to him in everything so we don’t care. We focus on our repentance and pray. That’s the beauty of Orthodoxy. The situation will resolve itself eventually.
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@thepsychefunk @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 Does Constantinople or Moscow have the correct doctrine and dogma on ecclesiology, and how do you know with certainty?
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@SlowpokeCon @ArchangeloRom @syd_bee3 That’s right. This doesn’t make sense to you because in RC everything needs to be answered and applied globally. Whereas in Orthodoxy, we have dogma and doctrines that never change and then on a per-issue basis, we have Ekonomia. We disagree on how to apply this sometimes.
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@thepsychefunk @ArchangeloRom @syd_bee3 Ah, so YOU GUYS can have "differing opinions" and "Ekonomia" but Catholics "develop new doctrines." Got it.
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@SlowpokeCon @ArchangeloRom @syd_bee3 With all due respect, this is a waste of time. I’ll end with this: In terms of dogma/doctrines, Eastern Orthodoxy will never change and Roman Catholicism always changes and develops. This is undeniable. Therefore, I chose Orthodoxy. Have a good day sir.
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If you can't get that, let me quote St. Paul from Acts of the Apostles:
"You Athenians, I see that in every respect you are very religious. For as I walked around looking carefully at your shrines, I even discovered an altar inscribed, ‘To an Unknown God.’ What therefore you unknowingly worship, I proclaim to you."
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@SlowpokeCon @ArchangeloRom @syd_bee3 There are always people who have differing opinions in the Church. This is a real nothing burger. It is not dogma. Some clergy apply Ekonomia with regards to natural family planning. Others don’t. Personally, I am against all forms of contraception.
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@thepsychefunk @ArchangeloRom @syd_bee3 > New doctrines
What did the Church Fathers teach about contraception and what does your hierarchy teach now?
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@SlowpokeCon @ArchangeloRom @syd_bee3 I must be retarded because I don’t see anything that affirms the view that Muslims worship the same God as Christians. 🤷♂️
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@ArchangeloRom @SlowpokeCon @syd_bee3 The way the RC church interprets the writings of the saints and scripture is different from EO. And it will continue to change as RC continues to develop new doctrines. That’s all I can say.
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There’s 2 senses of God. One sense is the eternal creator, the God of Abraham. This referent is the same God, and Jews and Muslims do worship Him in a natural manner. Christians worship Him in a supernatural and beneficial manner.
The other concerns who God is. We can say Muslims and Arians don’t worship the same God in the sense of who He is. He’s not 2-3 separate gods as Arianism implies, nor is He a sterile monad like Muslims assert. Muslims do not worship God in the sense of the proper and conception of Him.
Vatican II simply affirms that the referent of Islam and Judaism is the same, as the Fathers and even St. Palamas taught. However, we also affirm that their understanding and conception of God is incomplete, and they don’t worship the same God in the specific sense of a Trinity.
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@SlowpokeCon @ArchangeloRom @syd_bee3 Did Roman Catholics believe that Arians worshipped the same God a 100 years ago?
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@thepsychefunk @ArchangeloRom @syd_bee3 Arians had a false Christology. They still worshipped the same God and had a valid baptism.
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