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@gumsays crypto ended up being a scam, sans BTC
bummer but true
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DeFi was replicating bad practices TradFi with the cover that TradFi was doing the same thing
it’s been rotten to its core since it was invented
insiders propping shit up, doing complicated mechanisms to print yield out of thin air
the game of musical chairs is over
wale.moca 🐳@waleswoosh
Money is leaving DeFi at an unprecedented scale
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DeFi is dead and most of you still don’t understand what it actually was
It was never a financial system. It was a loop designed to manufacture synthetic valuations from minimal capital
Protocols didn’t grow capital, they multiplied how it was counted by turning one deposit into multiple positions
A token gets emitted, you’re paid to deposit it, and that deposit is recorded as TVL. That’s position one.
You borrow stables against that same collateral, deploy them somewhere else, and now that same base capital is supporting a second position on another protocol
Then you take the LP token from that, restake or loop it again, and it gets counted a third time
Lets simplify it with $100:
> You deposit $100 into a protocol, that’s your first position and it’s recorded as $100 TVL
> You borrow $80 against that same $100 and deposit it somewhere else, now there’s another $80 being counted
> You borrow $60 against that $80 and deploy it again, now that’s another layer
You take the receipt from that and loop it one more time
On paper you now have $280+ across protocols, but in reality its still the same $100
This is the same illusion as altcoins printing billion dollar market caps on tiny float
A $2B token with 5% circulating isn’t $2B of value, it’s $100M of liquidity marked higher by thin trading
DeFi did the same thing with TVL. Instead of multiplying price across supply, it multiplied the same capital across protocols
TVL became FDV in a different format
Protocols emitted tokens to LPs, counted those tokens as TVL, then counted the incentivized volume as usage
That volume generated fees, fees justified valuation, valuation justified emissions, and the loop continued
No external demand was needed and the system kept feeding itself
Every narrative ran the same structure. Yield farming, LSDs, restaking, points. Different names for the same mechanic
You weren’t earning yield. You were being paid in dilution
At the peak, $200B+ TVL implied capital that never existed. The real base was a fraction of that, looped, leveraged and counted multiple times
Each protocol reported it independently, dashboards aggregated it as if it was additive
That’s how the industry looked massive
This is why altcoin market caps and DeFi TVL broke at the same time
Both were built on internal pricing, thin liquidity, and recycled capital. One inflated valuation through float, the other through collateral loops
Neither represented real economic scale
The fragility came from this exact structure. The hacks weren’t random....
You don’t extract hundreds of millions from systems generating real external cash flow, you extract from systems where the value was already abstract
Strip out token denominated TVL, emission based yield, recycled collateral, and wash volume. What’s left is a small set of protocols actually moving capital
DeFi didn’t fail. It worked exactly as designed. It took limited capital, looped it, marked it higher, and distributed it
Now that the loop is visible, the numbers don’t hold
That’s why it doesn’t bounce. There’s nothing underneath it to support the scale it once claimed


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read the room bro, crypto is dead
Emmanuel Onuoha@waverchocs
This year alone over 40 crypto startups have shutdown. My question is why aren’t some other startups stepping up to acquire them.
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guys, the VC ecosystem here is dead
it’s all insider circle jerking bs
dasha@0xdasha
to be clear, not a single crypto vc is deploying any capital right now, and in fact they can't raise any money themselves. a lot of smaller vcs have gone bust or failed to raise another fund. this coordinated public theater is just cheap PR for posterity in case we ever come back
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Hot take: There isn’t lack of VC money in crypto. In fact I’d argue there’s still oversupply of capital.
What’s lacking is courage. Courage to build something that defines a new unproven category.
Right now I’m mostly seeing copycats chasing what’s already working. But no one cares about the 69th prediction market, 69th yield vault, 69th stablecoin neobank, etc.
Polymarket, Morpho, Redotpay, etc. won because they were early to new categories before they became obvious.
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lol defi was shit & is still shit
no point in it
@aaronjmars@aaronjmars
absolutely zero crypto company defi is going to be ANNIHILATED get out asap
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@SuhailKakar crypto is dead
imagine trying to sell into defi RWAs right now lol
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so anthropic literally built a god-tier ai and is now working with all the big giants to find vulnerabilities across critical infrastructure
none of these are crypto or defi companies btw. none. zero.
we are cooked.
if you have any of your money sitting in random protocols, take it out
and if you're building in crypto, now is the best time to do a full audit of your contracts and codebase. seriously.
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@DennisonBertram @tallyxyz we should build luxury software together
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At ethcc I figured out why crypto feels dead.
founders stopped building anything that needs a token.
so now we build yield aggregators on top of yield aggregators on top of... tokens nobody's launching anymore.
But all of that "yield" sits on top of token economies, all of it traces back to someone somewhere believing in a token. cut off new token launches and you starve the entire yield stack from below.
crypto is slowly dieing unless we make people believe in tokens again.
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