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@The_Fact_Facer @roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @hutchinson He actually blocked me a while ago and just replied from behind a block.

@roejosenquist @wadeblazer @Cynics_throne @hutchinson You've been arguing semantics this whole time. That's the reason you've argued with this guy for hours and are now arguing with me, because you refuse to just accept the word "detrimental".

He’s net -7 among young voters and breaks even among democrats. That’s…not super popular.

@roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson I think Landers stepped out on a limb pretty significantly for Mamdani there not just in his campaign but personally. The last I had heard they had a bit of a falling out. I'm glad he got an endorsement but you're doing so much fighting over the term detriment.

@roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson Mamdani himself never actually complained about this, even though he was given the opportunity to in several interviews. Instead he said that he saw it as his challenge to win them over. Anyway, you didn't like me saying that Landers supported Mamdani to his detriment.

@roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson Yeah it's crazy how the passage of time works, and how we exist in the period of time where we know Mamdani won, and Lender sacrificed his campaign to help him. And endorsement it basically the least he could do, but sure it's not nothing.

@wadeblazer @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson yea and such is true in any election campaign? including the mayoral one he ran in?

@roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson It remains to be seen if that will do anything for him.

@wadeblazer @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson how am i delusional when Lander posted himself campaigning with Mamdani for a congressional seat? YOURE the delusional one for trying to drive a wedge that doesn’t fucking exist. facebook.com/BradLander/vid…

@roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson I think it was pretty admirable, you take it for granted. Lander got pretty much nothing, in fact it strained his relationship with Mamdani because Mamdani's campaign advisors were wary of his influence.

@roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson Obviously I understand what a strategic sacrifice is. Obviously I know what ranked choice voting is. What I don't understand is the inability to process the reality that what Lander did was detrimental to his own campaign.

@roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson I know you're a retard on almost all these things because through the course of this conversation I've come to realize you have an incredibly shallow understanding of how politics actually works in practice.

@roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson Since this is your claim, I'm gonna need you to explain how you abolish ICE under a Republican president with a minority in the house and the Senate. I need to know exactly what you would have done to stop ICE and probably what your immigration policy would be going forward.

@roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson Dude no one has the time or patience to decipher what the fuck you're trying to say here. Are you seriously implying that Jeffries and Schumer were trying to co-opt leftist messaging? We live on two different planets. There's no point in continuing this.

@wadeblazer @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson and my point is that they are co-opting leftist messaging, but when leftists ask them to stand behind their messaging, they immediately fold. my point is that if you want to LARP as a progressive, then you should expect actual progressives to hold you accountable.

@roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson Lander vouched for him before the primaries ended, that's what I mean by to his detriment. It very obviously wasn't strictly about his voters either.

@wadeblazer @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson Brad Lander vouched for Mamdani bc they were both representing the progressive wing of the party in a RCV primary. Lander got his preferred candidate into office, so how is that to his detriment? he literally told his voters that they agreed on a lot.

@roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson Dude most of the things you say are so vague and hollow they're actually annoying to critique. I don't have all the time in the world to drill down into this stupid fucking accusation that banning masks is the only thing that came from the dispute over ICE funding.

@wadeblazer @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson i criticize dems when they reach across the aisle to make sure that ICE is funded so long as they ban masks, while simultaneously shaming Leftists on their OWN side of the aisle. it’s like watching ur own parents buy ur cousin an xbox for christmas while you get socks every year.

@roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson My point is that expecting endorsements from politicians who you abhor is both a waste of time and hypocritical when you consider you would never hold up the other end of that bargain.

@wadeblazer @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson we abhor schumer and jeffries because they are the worst examples of establishment politics failing the working people. their lack of support for mamdani, the dem’s primary winner, was another drop in the bucket. i’m not sure what your point is here.

@roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson There's no mandate for the DNC to join hands with populists, least of all in deep blue elections, and to be frank coming from the type of person who criticizes Dems for reaching across the aisle it seems to me like most of your criticisms are completely hypocritical.

@roejosenquist @Cynics_throne @The_Fact_Facer @hutchinson A pretty lame claim to anything on your part, especially when his own primary opponent (Brad Lander) went out of his way to vouch for Mamdani probably to his own detriment.