I've already proved that's wrong, many times, yet, here you are again, without ever refuting anything I've posted.
Like, our God of Abraham has a completely different
personality,
consequence for the fall of creation,
plan for salvation...
than your Alah.
very different.
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You choose wisely what to respond to.
@Giver_0f_Days@TowardsJesusorg Getting tired of your silly excuses.
Your editorials are far too lengthy. Trying to dismiss the fact:
You refuse to see the figurative meaning in panim deceiving yourself. IT'S THERE.
To understand how panim is figurative one would only need refer back to similitude in numbers.
Excerpt from Moses’s plea to God after the scouts bring false report 👇
“Then they shall say to the inhabitants of this land, (for they haue heard that thou, Lord, art among this people, and that thou, Lord, art seene face to face, and that thy cloude standeth ouer them, and that thou goest before them by day time in a pillar of a cloude, and in a pillar of fire by night)”
Numbers 14:14 GNV
“and they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that thou LORD art among this people, that thou LORD art seen face to face, and that thy cloud standeth over them, and that thou goest before them, by day time in a pillar of a cloud, and in a pillar of fire by night.”
Numbers 14:14 KJV
“and they have said [it] unto the inhabitant of this land, they have heard that Thou, Jehovah, [art] in the midst of this people, that eye to eye Thou art seen — O Jehovah, and Thy cloud is standing over them, — and in a pillar of cloud Thou art going before them by day, and in a pillar of fire by night.”
Numbers 14:14 YLT98
“And they will tell the inhabitants of this land about it. They have already heard that you, Lord, are with these people and that you, Lord, have been seen face to face, that your cloud stays over them, and that you go before them in a pillar of cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night.”
Numbers 14:14 NIV
“they will tell the people living in this land. They have heard that you, Adonai, are with this people; that you, Adonai, are seen face to face; that your cloud stands over them; that you go ahead of them in a column of cloud by day and a column of fire by night.”
B'midbar (Num) 14:14 CJB
You’re basically calling God a liar when He tells Aaron and Miriam the following. Overmore, you’re giving Moses and equal standing to God if he is able to speak in riddles back to Him👇
“With him I speak face to face and clearly, not in riddles; he sees the image of Adonai. So why weren’t you afraid to criticize my servant Moshe?””
B'midbar (Num) 12:8 CJB
“With him I speak face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the Lord. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?””
Numbers 12:8 NIV
@MasterMaliq What did you bear witness to Maliq?
Jesus' apostles bore witness to the resurrection.
They were hunted down and horribly executed, or imprisoned.
Because they wouldn't recant their witness.
I didn't bear witness, but they did.
Say after me:
"I bear witness that there is no one worthy of worship except Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah."
Congratulations.
You're now a Muslim.
@MasterMaliq Maliq, if it were you & any one of your wives in place of Adam and Eve...
If you were the first man created, instead of Adam, the result would have been no different.
It's why I have no hard feelings for Adam.
@yo_neighbor Even if Adam's sin had consequences for humanity, it doesn't follow that every baby is born guilty. Justice is being judged for your own actions, not someone else's
Do you really believe in original sin?
That because Adam sinned thousands of years ago, every child is born guilty before taking their first breath?
That an innocent baby inherits a crime they never committed?
If that's justice, then what is injustice?
The Quran rejects original sin completely.
"No bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another."
In Islam, there is no inherited guilt.
Every soul is born pure.
You are not punished for Adam's sin.
You are judged for your own.
When the Bible says God spoke to Moses “face to face” (panim el panim), it emphasizes intimate, direct relationship — like two people talking openly — rather than necessarily seeing God’s literal physical face.
You intentionally exclude the figurative Hebrew meaning in panim.
Because no one may see God and live.
Because your purpose is to show contradiction by any means.
You refuse to see the figurative meaning in panim deceiving yourself.
To understand how panim is figurative one would only need refer back to similitude in numbers.
Then delete the following verse from scripture.
“And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,”
Deuteronomy 34:10 KJV
“And there hath not arisen a prophet any more in Israel like Moses, whom Jehovah hath known face unto face,”
Deuteronomy 34:10 YLT98
“And there has not arisen a prophet since in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,”
Deuteronomy 34:10 ESV
“Since that time no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,”
Deuteronomy 34:10 NASB2020
There’s no jerking off around it.
You can’t say is a figure of speech here and not there. You must have consistency. That’s why numbers 12:8 is vital to the first five books. Because God was not handing down prophecy in a figure of speech.
**פָּנִים (panim)** literally means **“face”** (also used more broadly for **“presence”** or **“the front/visage”**), and in Hebrew it’s a **plural-form word** that’s normally treated as singular.
Don’t think me a fool.
@Giver_0f_Days@TowardsJesusorg “You cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
NO ONE may see me and live, NO ONE
Moses death linked to the incident at Meribah.
PERIOD.
You're taking simple text and twisting it.
DECEIVER
Believe what you want. Rephrase it however you want. Reorder events however you want. It’s not my words you’re refuting. 🤦♂️
They’re the written words of God, clearly, as he passed them through his servant Moses, for Moses wrote the first five books not in riddles, parables, or metaphors.
“With him I speak face to face and clearly, not in riddles; he sees the image of Adonai. So why weren’t you afraid to criticize my servant Moshe?””
B'midbar (Num) 12:8 CJB
Don’t think me a fool.
“But Adonai said to Moshe and Aharon, “Because you did not trust in me, so as to cause me to be regarded as holy by the people of Isra’el, you will not bring this community into the land I have given them.””
B'midbar (Num) 20:12 CJB
That’s the punishment God passed onto Moses and Aaron for that incident - Not to enter the promised land.
Believe what you want, but don’t take things out of context. I have already proved you wrong thrice. It’s not my words you deny but his.
“Don’t add anything to his words; or he will rebuke you, and you be found a liar.”
Mishlei (Pro) 30:6 CJB
@Giver_0f_Days@TowardsJesusorg Unless Moses was eating of that tree, that's irrelevant.
paniym-
the face (literally and figuratively)
tmuwnah-
Similitude (image likeness)
“You cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
Moses death is linked to the incident at Meribah.
PERIOD.
@Giver_0f_Days@TowardsJesusorg Without eating the forbidden fruit, death wouldn't have entered the world.
"No one may see me and live." that's an immediate consequence.
The Bible links his death (and exclusion from the Promised Land) to the incident at Meribah (Numbers 20:1–13):
What did God tell Adam if he ate from the forbidden fruit?
I’ll help you, Genesis 2:17. 🙄
How long did he live before his death after eating from the fruit?
Anyways, the verse itself says as God himself said.
“So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord,”
Deuteronomy 34:5 ESV
“Whoever changes his religion, kill him.” (Sahih al-Bukhari and others)
Too bad some Muslims take the hadith seriously.
Saudi Arabia — Apostasy is punishable by death (though often commuted with repentance). Public beheadings or other executions have occurred.
Iran — Apostasy can lead to execution under Sharia-based laws. Several cases of converts to Christianity or Baha’is being killed or sentenced.
Afghanistan (under Taliban) — Since 2021, the Taliban has enforced strict Hudud punishments, including death for apostasy.
Pakistan — Blasphemy laws (often overlapping with apostasy accusations) have led to mob lynchings, vigilante killings, and death sentences. Asia Bibi’s case (a Christian accused of blasphemy) is a high-profile example of how accusations can spiral.
Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, Brunei, Mauritania — Have had or still have death penalties for apostasy on the books (with varying enforcement).
Nigeria (northern states) — Some Sharia-implementing states apply apostasy penalties, and groups like Boko Haram execute converts or those accused of leaving Islam.
I'm honestly tired of this.
Some non Muslims really think if I became a Christian tomorrow, I'd be killed for apostasy.
Where do you people get these ideas from?
I have cousins who became Christians.
I have friends who left Islam and became atheists.
Nobody is chasing them.
Nobody is trying to kill them.
Please stop using internet clips and extremists to judge every Muslim.
That's not the Islam I know.
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
But whosoever shall deny me before men,
him will I also deny before my Father
which is in heaven.
Luke 10:34
THINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO SEND PEACE ON EARTH:
I CAME NOT TO SEND PEACE BUT A SWORD.
For I am come to set a man at variance
against his father, and the daughter againsther mother.
And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
He that loves father or mother more than
me is not worthy of me:
and he that loves son or daughter more
than me is not worthy of me.
And he that takes not his cross, and
follows after me, is not worthy of me.
He that finds his life shall lose it:
and he that loses his life for my sake shall
find it.
He that receives you received me, and he that receives me receives him that sent me.
@MasterMaliq Any religion that promises you being ostracized from your community, shunned by your own family or death because you leave Islam, should give you serious pause. That isn't God of love.
@MasterMaliq “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.’” (John 8:58)
Jesus himself claimed divinity.
Muhammad was a false prophet & had no authority rejecting the New Testament.
MOHAMMED DENIED EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS FROM JESUS GENERATION TO KEEP UP HIS CHARADE.
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@MasterMaliq “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.’” (John 8:58)
Jesus himself claimed divinity.
Muhammad was a false prophet and had no authority rejecting the New Testament.
MOHAMMED DENIED EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS TO KEEP UP HIS CHARADE.