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@migueldeicaza @kellabyte @FransBouma @zerothboy @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @BtcpayServer Yup, just promote it on Linux more. We keep getting questions why we chose a platform that only supports Windows and have to explain that we run predominantly on Unix systems. I think we are doing well in promoting .NET Core as a Unix platform.

@lucperkins @kellabyte @billwagner @FransBouma @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny So many greenfield business logic projects are opting for say, Go/Rust monoliths? What's the whole "monoliths" qualifier about though? It tells me your information about .NET is probably from the early 2000s. If your evidence is anecdotal, it's just that, anecdotal.

@zerothboy @kellabyte @billwagner @FransBouma @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny Increasingly they’re writing their business logic in a wide variety of languages, sometimes with teams making their own language decisions. Not many “greenfield” projects opting for .NET monoliths these days.

We're all very aware that technology has a huge representation problem. I absolutely adore the .NET community that has been my "spiritual home" for almost two decades. But here's an uncomfortable truth - it's a number of orders of magnitude worse in our community. 1/?

@kellabyte @FransBouma @zerothboy @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer It matters to our users. I don’t think I can quote specifics, but imagine people are running .net code in hundreds of thousands of servers. A 1% performance improvement is a lot of $$$. You can imagine how .net core perf upgrade that delivered 2x to 3x boosts was received.

@koush @kellabyte @migueldeicaza @FransBouma @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer Jfc, what's the value prop of other stacks???

@kellabyte @migueldeicaza @FransBouma @zerothboy @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer The value prop of the .NET stack has to be more than "run .NET to do this thing that can be already be done in another language".

@michael_at_work @craigvn @FransBouma @kellabyte @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer Which apparently proves its effectiveness I guess 🤷

@zerothboy @craigvn @FransBouma @kellabyte @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer I pre-date startup culture, so I don't even know what this means.

@michael_at_work @craigvn @FransBouma @kellabyte @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer Startup culture has ingrained the eternal growth mindset into our minds and frankly that's not how the real world works!

@craigvn @FransBouma @kellabyte @zerothboy @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer There's a world of difference between being not dead & being alive and growing. I will say one small (well, big) difference today versus when I first started out: languages back in the 80s/90s were tied to hardware platforms, so in the hardware died, the language died.

@p_mbanugo @kellabyte @FransBouma @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer Fun fact: it doesn't matter.

@kellabyte @zerothboy @FransBouma @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer What language would one use if they want to get Kafka clients easily or frequently?

@kellabyte @migueldeicaza @FransBouma @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer Would you consider Scala a fun community to hang out in?

@kellabyte @migueldeicaza @FransBouma @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer You know how many programming languages have been invented at Facebook and never "took off"?

@kellabyte @FransBouma @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer I don't agree with your branching out theory, because I know folks who branched in and 2x'd their salary.

@zerothboy @FransBouma @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer I’m going to be real here - anything anyone says to someone inside the bubble isn’t going to agree with. Yes branching out 3x’d my salary.

@kellabyte @FransBouma @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer And no, it's not a bubble, the bubble popped in 2016.

@kellabyte @FransBouma @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer Maybe the limit is also geographical, I don't know. Outside the USA, especially in Europe, .NET Core is a big big deal.

@kellabyte @FransBouma @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer Bitcoin has one of the most toxic, intolerant communities on twitter. Want to know how much the asset is currently trading at? Communities are complex systems and to think that you can extrapolate where they'll be in a decade based on current dynamics is a fallacy.

@zerothboy @FransBouma @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer Languages don’t matter much I agree. But they do evolve into ecosystems that have characteristics and pros and cons and growth or limitations.

@kellabyte @FransBouma @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer And you believe it's because you branched out? I don't agree with that.

@zerothboy @FransBouma @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer I got paid 3x as much when I branched out of .NET and it was far easier to make this gain and it was funner projects. Just sayin’

@FransBouma @kellabyte @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer My friends and I keep seeing these programming language debates every time. Quite frankly it's just tiring. If you want to switch to fun communities, please do. At the end of the day, people want to get paid. "Fun communities" don't cut you a paycheck.

@kellabyte @zerothboy @billwagner @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer Linux, windows, unreal engine, sql server, oracle, postgresql... all written in C/C++. Your point? 😀

@kellabyte @billwagner @FransBouma @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind I'm a young millennial using C#, .NET Core. I don't plan to leave. I don't need a community to tell me what to do, to be honest. I can understand the cultural leanings of older .NET folks to hearken to the voice of the "community". Most of us younger folks frankly don't care.

@zerothboy @billwagner @FransBouma @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind It’s boring. The community debates patterns to death. It’s the same topics for 15-20 years. People moved on to a far inferior language like Go for a few key reasons. This should be very telling.

@kellabyte @billwagner @FransBouma @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind So basically your argument is that C# hasn't been used in OSS infrastructure products enough? Wonder why that is...

@zerothboy @billwagner @FransBouma @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind Before go was Java. .NET was always a narrow ecosystem of set fulfilling Microsoft stacks using Windows Server and SQL Server. Java: Cassandra Kafka

@kellabyte @billwagner @FransBouma @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer .NET went full blown OSS in what 2015/6? Why d'you think the intellectual investments of the OSS community would suddenly be deployed in .NET Core within 4/5 years to compete with incumbents?

@zerothboy @billwagner @FransBouma @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind @BtcpayServer Go: Docker Kubernetes Etcd CockroachDB Prometheus InfluxDB Consul Terraform Hugo To name a few. OSS .NET wishes it had ANY of this traction.

@kellabyte @billwagner @FransBouma @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind Before Go, what was in vogue?

@zerothboy @billwagner @FransBouma @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind There will always be some cases of course. But seriously Go is 1/3rd or 1/4th the age and has waaaaay more OSS traction and much more exciting projects overall.

@kellabyte @billwagner @FransBouma @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny @nethermind This product: @BtcpayServer is payment processing infrastructure for the Bitcoin network that's currently the most deployed with the most active users in Bitcoin. If Bitcoin and decentralized networks are not fringe enough uses of C# and .NET Core, then what is?

@kellabyte @billwagner @FransBouma @david_whitney @shanselman @SaraJChipps @onovotny This team: @nethermind has implemented an Ethereum client in .NET Core and it's currently in use by the Ethereum community. If you're not seeing pervasive stuff in C#, you're probably looking to confirm your biases.