@ceobmt @KhalilAndani Also, it wasn't their views that got them criticism. It was the very fact that they did philosophy. It was a bunch of anti-intellectuals taking any instance of thought as evil.
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Ph.D. philosophy. Syracuse Univ, Le Moyne College. Author, A Realist Metaphysics of Race. Covenant member, Missio Church. Cowardly use of insults = instablock.
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@KhalilAndani And they got slandered and persecuted by the Khalifate while Aquinas is called the Common Doctor by the Magisterium
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I mean Aquinas was reading Al-Farabi and Ibn Sina…..
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I mean, we have Aquinas.
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@ceobmt @KhalilAndani There was an attempt to declare Aquinas a heretic. It didn't succeed, and the movement to get him declared a saint did. But he wasn't universally loved.
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@hitme_mmorty @KhalilAndani Learning from someone and building on their work is not plagiarism.
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@KhalilAndani I mean, Al-Farabi and Ibn Sina were plagiarizing Aristotle and Plato.
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@Nbal148 @KhalilAndani He calls him the Commentator. Ibn Sina is the Doctor, I believe. Aristotle, of course, is the Philosopher. Aquinas had nicknames for a lot of the philosophers that he respected and learned from.
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@KhalilAndani Was Aquinas reading Al-farabi and Ibn Sina or were they all reading Aristotle? Did Aquinas ever cite Al-farabi or Averoes' works?
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@LateHaveILoved @CapturingChrist Ibn Sina was not Arab. He was from Uzbekistan. He was born in Bukhara. He was Central Asian. His culture has as much influence from the Khans as it did from the Middle East.
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@CapturingChrist Avicenna and averroes were Hellenized Arabs who benefited from Grecian and western philosophy, after their era there were few Islamic scholars of note, and Aquinas thrashed them
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I mean, we have Aquinas.
Allah Islam Quran@AllahGreatQuran
Islam is a religion for the most intelligent people.
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi You can train an AI to respond like Kant, but that doesn't make it hard a worldview. It doesn't have any beliefs. It's just trained to sound like it does. But even apart from that, orthodox Christian writings are a part of what these LLMs are trained on.
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi I know what you mean if you say a thermostat knows what temperature to turn on, but it's still false.
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“AI is not an idol. Not necessarily. Done right, AI doesn’t threaten the preacher…AI — used wisely in its present form and in future uses we cannot conceive of yet — will make good and faithful preachers even better.”
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@KennethLPearce Somehow you've attracted all the trolls. Lots of people asking to be blocked here.
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FYI: if you think Ibn Sina is not a philosopher worth taking seriously, then you think Thomas Aquinas is a terrible judge of philosophical merit.
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@gooby_scotus @KennethLPearce His presentation of the contingency argument was not surpassed in Aquinas. And ibn Sina formulated it first.
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@KennethLPearce Thomas refuted him so that we no longer must take him seriously.
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@ShaambaBaashdi @KennethLPearce He got it from Aquinas, who got it from ibn Sina.
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@KennethLPearce Something something modernism, something something nominalism.
In my extremely minimal philosophical knowledge, I do appreciate Leibniz's cosmological argument above all the others, even if I feel uncertain about it now.
Plus, Brian May looks like him; I can't hate him.
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi No, I have philosophical convictions that tell me that it's literally impossible, in principle, for it to have a worldview. It's not the sort of thing that can have a view, never mind a worldview. It's not about detecting or spotting it. It's like saying a rock has a worldview.
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@TheParableMan @NeilShenvi I understand you think the system can make mistakes.
And you think the system does not have an underlying worldview.
And your (presumably above average) ability to read theology and Bible outputs is such that you do not detect that underlying worldview.
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi William James has some pretty strong arguments for not letting that keep you from believing things, even if you don't have certainty about whether they are true. We really couldn't live our lives with such a standard.
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi Then you misunderstand me. I am well aware of the dangers of not being in a position to evaluate what AI hands to you. If you can't evaluate it, there are huge risks in terms of getting fed false information. But of course that's true of any source of information.
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@LqLana @jamestalarico What's wrong with holding it upside down?
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Let them know @jamestalarico
The guy who can't name a book in the Bible. Can't recite a scripture. Holds bibles upside down. Made a grift of selling Bibles for 50-60 dollars and steals from charities, had the nerve to say that @jamestalarico “insults Jesus”
#DemsUnited
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@LukithunderEWC I don't think that's a good thing.
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@TheParableMan There have admittedly been many cases where I wanted to like or retweet something but didn’t because of who tweeted it.
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Worth observing: AOC posted this. Ramesh Ponnuru (a conservative political commentator) retweeted it. What she says here is entirely correct. non-partisan, and morally important. Ask yourself if whether you would retweet this depends on who posted it.
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This is sad. I know as a politician these companies are going to spend a billion dollars against me for saying it but 🤷🏽♀️ Pervasive gambling is not good for society. It turns life into a casino, traps people in addiction & debt, surges domestic violence, and fosters manipulation.
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi Well, it's capable of doing things much faster. It's better in that respect. It's also capable of adjusting when you tell it to stop doing something. There are probably numerous ways it's better, even if there are many ways it's worse.
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@TheParableMan @NeilShenvi And I'm not saying don't use at all. But I think I see in the article, and I am much more sure I see in you, a willingness to see AI as better than a hostile intelligent persuasive knowledgeable source.
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi But on the worldview thing, the danger isn't that it has some worldview, like Bultmann does. It's that it has none and isn't evaluating stuff based on whether it's right. It's evaluating stuff based on what it expects you to want it to say. And it makes mistakes and hallucinates.
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi Right, but it's in the same category as Bultmann. You have to evaluate it. That's not a "don't use" category. It's a "use carefully" category. Which is what the article says and what Neil has been saying.
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@LukithunderEWC Right, but almost half of American history is post-slavery. I don't think it counts as most if it's slightly over half. Most is a good bit more than half.
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@TheParableMan I say “most” because slavery wasn’t fully racialized at first in the colonies until it slowly but surely became so throughout the course of the 17th century and became essentially a racial caste by the end of the 17th to the beginning of the 18th century.
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It wasn’t confined by race by most of human history, it WAS for most of American history, so yeah it’s complex.
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Thomas Sowell: “Slavery was not confined by race. It was not defined or created by race. It existed for thousands of years. A history professor once had a student come up to him and ask, ‘When did slavery begin?’ The real question is: when did freedom begin? Slavery existed as long as we have records. From archaeological findings, we know that people were enslaving other people before they could read or write. It has always existed and has existed all over the world. The number of White people enslaved by pirates in North Africa was greater than the number of Africans brought to the United States. And yet, that’s not even mentioned.”
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