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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@pierrebgood @CodifyBaseball While that scenario would definitely piss me off, and I’m sure it will happen at some point, I’m currently very much enjoying the half-measure approach that allows us to watch umps get absolutely humiliated. Have you heard the crowd reactions to these challenges — its therapy….
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Pierre@pierrebgood·
@CodifyBaseball It’s going to take one big call in the playoffs that can’t be reversed because the team is out of challenges and that 11% is going to go over 50%. I don’t know why we have to always implement half measures.
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@dmbkparker @BuffJE0920 @Jomboy_ Here it is. That is called shadow zone accuracy, a baseball width (around 3inches) in or off of the plate. The accuracy on those pitches has been improving over the years, and it’s at around 80% right now. That’s the average. So terrible umps presumably 70%
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Dan
Dan@dmbkparker·
@YankeeLineups @BuffJE0920 @Jomboy_ I would love to see the numbers on that. Take all the pitches within say 3in of the zone and see a percentage. Thats a great way to look at it. Also have you been to a high school game lately? 6-8in may be giving them a bit much credit.
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@BuffJE0920 @dmbkparker @Jomboy_ Because batters aren’t just challenging the obvious bad calls, they are also challenging borderline calls. And they get penalized for it by losing their challenges ability to challenge the obvious ones later on. Smart players and teams have a MUCH higher % on challenges
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Jonathan Ellis
Jonathan Ellis@BuffJE0920·
@YankeeLineups @dmbkparker @Jomboy_ If it’s so obvious and they are so bad at it, then why is the success rate on challenges by hitters less than 50%? The ones being challenged would be the obvious ones. And in AAA/spring training, they were usually not overturned. Most umps (not CB) are incredible at this
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@dmbkparker @BuffJE0920 @Jomboy_ Yes and I’m telling you that % is misleading because it includes the obvious calls that a high school ump can make. A ball 8 inches outside. A ball 6 inches in the plate. If you strip the obvious ones away, the % on actual difficult calls is pretty bad.
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Dan
Dan@dmbkparker·
@YankeeLineups @BuffJE0920 @Jomboy_ I’m just looking at the actual data put out here. One of the worst umpires in the league, 91% accurate, 94% consistent, +1.0 for the losing team. My question is, is it 100% or bust? That’s fine if that’s your opinion.
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@EYankees0904 @Rick12_85 Yes, and we’ve also seen teams (like the Red Sox with CB last night) lose their challenges as a result of that in the 4th inning and have to suffer through a handful of shit calls that they cannot challenge anymore. I don’t think that is recognized enough by the anti-ABS crowd.
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E@EYankees0904·
@YankeeLineups @Rick12_85 You’re 100% right, but we have seen a bunch of those so far and those are what I’ve seen this commentary on. I’m just saying I get the viewpoint
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@jeffkirby @Jomboy_ @dmbkparker What are you talking about — this hybrid system hurts their feelings way more! It embarrasses them in front of 40,000 people when they are shown to miss a call by 3 inches. That’s why I love this system
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Jeff Kirby
Jeff Kirby@jeffkirby·
@Jomboy_ @dmbkparker This ABS challenge system is dumb. 2-year bridge to full ABS balls and strikes calls. If the technology is there, why not use it fully? Instead we’ll waist time on challenges so we don’t hurt umpires’s feelings for a while.
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@BuffJE0920 @Jomboy_ @dmbkparker For borderline calls, umps are around 70-80% accurate. That’s not “a missed call here or there”. Most calls can be made by your average high school ump — it’s the borderline ones that make an ump “professional” and they’re only 20-30% better than a literal 50/50 guess.
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Jonathan Ellis
Jonathan Ellis@BuffJE0920·
@Jomboy_ @dmbkparker Why not? Why does everything need to be optimized/made perfect? Why are people so unwilling to live with a missed call here or there. Missed calls provide entertainment value & fodder. Baseball already suffers from enough lack of variety with increase in 3 true outcomes
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@EYankees0904 @Rick12_85 Yes but the system inherently de-incentivizes challenging those close calls, because you risk losing your 2 challenges and then you won’t be able to challenge the 8 obviously bad calls afterward. So players will more often than not get punished for using the system that way….
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E@EYankees0904·
@Rick12_85 I think that’s the sentiment people saying stuff like this are trying to convey. Like the Grisham challenge yesterday was great, that was well out of the zone. But when the batter/catcher happens to guess that it clipped or didn’t clip the zone by 1 mm it’s like what’s the point
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@ChrisTeekii @BarstoolHubbs Yes, but discrimination-based lawsuits don’t exactly work for a universally implemented system for umpires. None of the standard individual-based claims can work for this.
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Teekii@ChrisTeekii·
@YankeeLineups @BarstoolHubbs Angel Hernandez sued the MLB for racism because he was not allowed to umpire the playoffs years ago. Doesn’t matter how stupid it sounds it still happens
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@ChrisTeekii @BarstoolHubbs I’d love to see that lawsuit. I’m not a lawyer but even I could win that for MLB considering there is so much precedent in other sports for implementing challenges to overturn an official’s ruling. So I can’t imagine what basis they would have.
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Teekii@ChrisTeekii·
@BarstoolHubbs They will sue the MLB before they retire. ABS is gonna stir up some shit
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@commonzentz22 @michaelFhurley Everyone is clearly shown those distances, so their reaction to an overturn will be whatever it is given that info. When I see a 0.1” overturn, I think: “Wow that was close, not bad ump but happy for you player. Don’t try that again cause you’ll prob lose your challenge…”
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commonzentz@commonzentz22·
@michaelFhurley I’ll keep asking this. When the ball is missing the knees or mid section by mere millimeters, how do we know the abs system is judging the knees and mid section the same as the umpire for every batter? Is it even satisfying to have those calls over turned by mere millimeters?
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@acnelson93 @Vindog56 Now what you have remaining are the actual “difficult” calls. The ones in a 3 to 5 inch range both in or out of the zone. The kind of call that not anybody can make. So the question is — what percentage of THOSE pitches do the umpires get correct.
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@acnelson93 @Vindog56 Firstly, you have to eliminate all the pitches that are swung at, for obvious reasons. Then you should eliminate the obvious calls, which is admittedly a bit arbitrary but if a pitch is within a 10” box at the center of the zone or is 8” outside the zone, a HS ump can call it…
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VindogUnleashed@Vindog56·
If a home-plate umpire has 5 calls overturned, he should move to first base, and all the umpires should shift one spot over so the third-base umpire goes behind the plate. CB Bucknor had 6 calls overturned yesterday, and there were at least six more that could've been overturned if the teams had challenges left in regulation. Imagine over Bucknor's career, how many bad calls he's made? MLB should review the entire game and suspend him for doing such a horrible job behind the plate. And he took it personally, too. That's when he was no longer capable of calling balls and strikes and should've been moved to first base...
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@tallGOPgamerguy @RangersFanCave @CodifyBaseball And in football, I think the thing that bothers fans the most are calls and non-calls of holding, shoving, etc. Things we can’t easily automate. Same with basketball being fouls committed. In baseball, the biggest gripe is balls and strikes and that can be easily addressed.
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@tallGOPgamerguy @RangersFanCave @CodifyBaseball Sure, I’m not suggesting we can eliminate all human error (at least not without annoyingly complicated implementations and improvement of tech). But some stuff is way easier than others. Like in basketball, reviews mean having refs watch a replay for 3 min.…
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@tallGOPgamerguy @RangersFanCave @CodifyBaseball The other difference is it’s very easy to make strike-calling automated (much like the tennis system) whereas if would be very difficult to automate most basketball or football calls. That said, I prefer hybrid over fully-automated in MLB for now, mostly for embarrassing umps.
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TGGG@tallGOPgamerguy·
@RangersFanCave @CodifyBaseball No one is suggesting to make it subjective, I suspect if there was this level of visibility at the referee level you'd see the same outrage in football and basketball Baseball is just much slower paced and inherently easier to nitpick every action that takes place
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Ben Mikell
Ben Mikell@BenMikell_FW·
@YankeeLineups @UmpScorecards Game went to extras. You get an additional challenge each inning if out of challenges, but can’t keep more than 1. (If you had 2 going to extras, you keep the 2 until you lose them)
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Matt Walker@OhioMatticus·
@MacTSJ @YankeeLineups @UmpScorecards That's correct. If any team should be out of challenges going into extra innings they get one more challenge. Then the same rule applies going into the 11th or beyond. As long as you are out of challenges heading into another inning in extras you automatically get another one
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@GrishamsStache @hof_judge99 @UmpScorecards In other words, there were 12 bad calls overall. You subtract away the impact of the 7 successfully changed calls at the bottom and now there’s only 5 bad calls that actually “stood”/impacted this game. And those 5 bad calls yielded a 0.18 favoring SF.
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PleaseChangeYankeesLineup@YankeeLineups·
@GrishamsStache @hof_judge99 @UmpScorecards So what that means is that after you factor in the impact of the overturned calls on the total calls, what you have remaining is the non-overturned calls. That’s what that 0.18 favoring SF means — it represents the impact of ONLY non-overturned bad calls.
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