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I've already responded to this thread by @Alonso_GD here: x.com/buhooooooooooo… And I've responded specifically to his attempt to discredit and smear Benny Morris here: x.com/buhooooooooooo… As I mentioned there, Alonso (a supposedly serious scholar at @LSEsociology) has a despicable pattern of lying about other scholars, misrepresenting their words to discredit and smear them. His strategy is consistent: claim that prominent scholars have "ideological limitations that prevent them from concluding that Israel can commit genocide at all," then dismiss their conclusions about Gaza as biased and predetermined. After targeting Morris with this smear, he now turns his venom on Prof. Yehuda Bauer—with even more malicious distortions. The Benny Morris thread ended with a direct refutation of Alonso's accusation about Morris being ideologically unable to see Israel as capable of committing genocide, as Morris actually warned that not only is Israel capable of committing genocide, but he fears that, given its current trajectory, this might be where it's headed. This time let's start with the direct refutation. In a lecture to Danish educators in Jerusalem, Bauer explicitly addressed this possibility, stating: "What we have here between the Israelis and the Palestinians is an armed conflict—if one side becomes stronger there is a chance of genocide." When specifically asked if Israel could commit genocide against Palestinians, Bauer answered bluntly: "Yes." This statement alone dismantles Alonso's core accusation that Bauer has "ideological limitations that prevent him from concluding that Israel can commit genocide at all." Regarding Gaza, Bauer has been harsh and unequivocal in condemning Israeli actions and the way Israel has been pursuing the war. In an interview last year, he explicitly called Israeli actions war crimes and atrocities, emphasizing that while Hamas has genocidal goals, Israel's military response is "not justified in the way it is being conducted" because "masses of people are killed there who have no connection to the matter." This frank condemnation completely contradicts Alonso's portrayal of Bauer as someone ideologically incapable of acknowledging Israeli wrongdoing or potential for atrocities. Understanding who Yehuda Bauer actually was makes Alonso's distortions even more egregious. Bauer (who died a few months ago at the age of 98) was one of the world's preeminent Holocaust scholars—Professor Emeritus at the Hebrew University (@HebrewU), director of the International Institute for Holocaust Research at Yad Vashem (@yadvashem), a member of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum's Academic Committee (@HolocaustMuseum), founding editor of the journal Holocaust and Genocide Studies, and senior adviser to the Swedish government on the International Forum on Genocide Prevention. He was also an independent advisor and later honorary chairman of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (@TheIHRA). His scholarly approach was characterized by rigorous historical analysis over ideological considerations. He extensively studied various genocides—Rwanda, Darfur, Armenia—emphasizing that "the suffering of victims of all genocidal massacres or mass murders is always the same. There is no gradation of suffering." His approach to genocide studies was characterized by nuanced analyses, rejection of simplistic claims, and recognition of universal human capacity for both good and evil. His framework consistently emphasized that all humans and societies are capable of both perpetrating and resisting genocide. This universal approach directly contradicts Alonso's claim about "ideological limitations" regarding Israel. Alonso's characterization of Bauer's position on the Roma genocide is particularly egregious. Bauer's "exclusion" of the Roma, as Alonso chooses to put it, is a gross and intentional misrepresentation of a 1992 correspondence with another scholar where he addresses similarities and differences in Nazi actions and policies toward different groups and argues for the need to consider and analyze them separately on account of those differences. Bauer extensively discussed the genocide of the Roma and repeatedly stated that the Nazis had committed several genocides in parallel during their years in power and WWII. His discussions of differences in Nazi policy toward Jews versus Roma represent historical analysis of Nazi actions and priorities, not value judgments about victim suffering. The phrase "not important enough" that Alonso quote-mines from that 1992 letter was specifically about Nazi prioritization, not moral significance of Roma suffering. In that same letter, Bauer explicitly states that this "makes the tragedy of the Gypsies no less poignant, and no less horrible." This exemplifies Alonso's method: extract fragments, strip context, construct a false narrative. He transforms scholarly analysis of Nazi policy differences into alleged callousness toward genocide victims—character assassination masquerading as academic critique. Now that we've seen how completely wrong Alonso's claims are, it's worth considering what he was attempting to accomplish with his characterization of Bauer. His attack operates on multiple levels designed to completely delegitimize Bauer's scholarly authority: The "Ideological Bias" Accusation: By claiming Bauer has "ideological limitations that prevent him from concluding that Israel can commit genocide at all," Alonso attempts to paint him as a partisan hack rather than a serious scholar—someone whose conclusions about Gaza can be dismissed as predetermined rather than evidence-based. The "Holocaust Exclusionist" Smear: Alonso's second accusation is particularly insidious. By claiming Bauer "excludes Roma and disabled people" and calls them "not important enough," he's trying to paint Bauer as someone who minimizes or dismisses the suffering of vulnerable groups. This portrayal suggests Bauer operates from a hierarchy of victimhood that devalues certain lives. Together, these accusations attempt to paint a picture of Bauer as both an Israeli apologist and someone callous toward genocide victims—essentially suggesting he's both biased and morally compromised. These are reprehensible smears, and particularly when addressed at a Holocaust scholar, they are vile allegations that strike at the core of professional integrity. This is character assassination masquerading as scholarly critique—and as we've seen, it's built entirely on lies and distortions. Perhaps the most revealing aspect of Alonso's smear campaign is his choice of target. In attempting to paint Bauer as someone ideologically incapable of recognizing Israel's potential for genocide, he selected one of the few scholars who has explicitly and publicly addressed this very possibility and who, even at 98 years old, continued to speak out forcefully against Israeli actions in Gaza. This fact alone exposes the fundamental dishonesty of Alonso's critique and raises serious questions about his broader methodology and motivations. Interestingly, it seems the two scholars Alonso picked to target with this specific smear about "ideological limitations that prevent them from concluding that Israel can commit genocide at all" are not just ones whose entire approach, history, and body of work indicate the exact opposite, but also happen to be the ones who specifically and explicitly addressed this very possibility. What we see here is not scholarly disagreement but something really troubling: the deliberate distortion of academic work to serve ideological ends. The stark contrast between Bauer's actual scholarly record and Alonso's characterization serves as a warning about the dangerous erosion of intellectual honesty in certain corners of academia today.
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Bauer, for instance, famously argues that the Holocaust can only be understood as the genocide *of Jews* and excludes Roma and disabled people (presumably LGBTQI+ people too) from it, claiming the *G-words* were “not important enough” to the Nazis jstor.org/stable/494357?…

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@Alonso_GD @ewengilary So you're knowingly misrepresenting Corner's excuses (explicitly rejected by the court) as established and substantiated, because you want to whitewash violent criminals whose crimes and violence you happen to like. Got it. Typical @Alonso_GD. 🤷 x.com/buhooooooooooo…
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So true, @Alonso_GD! This is very clearly just another case of a totally honest violent criminal bravely sharing (with the court deciding his fate) the incredible truthful story about the innocuous explanation for each of the several people he attacked in the span of a few minutes (and in the course of the host of other violent criminal acts he's been committing that night), all out of good intentions in a very unlucky coincidence stemming from a series of unfortunate misunderstandings. Why would the court reject such perfectly reasonable explanations? How could they not believe this outstanding young man who accidentally and through no fault of his own just found himself caught up in this terrible situation? When did we become so cynical? So untrusting? 😢

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@Alonso_GD @technowombat_87 You're right, @Alonso_GD. That screenshot is from when he attacked security guard Nigel Shaw before the arrival of police sergeant Katy Evans whose spine he fractured with that same sledgehammer a couple of minutes later. 🤷 x.com/buhooooooooooo…
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@Alonso_GD is absolutely right! @EylonALevy indeed attached a screenshot of Corner swinging the sledgehammer at bleeding concussed security guard Nigel Shaw backing away swinging an umbrella, instead of one of the specific part he's describing and for which Corner has been convicted of inflicting grievous bodily harm - when he used the sledgehammer to strike police sergeant Kate Evans in the back and fractured her spine. Corner attacked several people during the incident, so it's an understandable mix-up. 🤷 It is kind of strange though for someone so pedantic about accuracy like Alonso - that he forgot to attach the correct screenshots (or video) to set the record straight and provide the reader the full accurate information. 🤔 Surely just absent mindedness. Don't worry, Alonso. I've got you covered! Here: bbc.co.uk/news/articles/…

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@Alonso_GD is absolutely right! @EylonALevy indeed attached a screenshot of Corner swinging the sledgehammer at bleeding concussed security guard Nigel Shaw backing away swinging an umbrella, instead of one of the specific part he's describing and for which Corner has been convicted of inflicting grievous bodily harm - when he used the sledgehammer to strike police sergeant Kate Evans in the back and fractured her spine. Corner attacked several people during the incident, so it's an understandable mix-up. 🤷 It is kind of strange though for someone so pedantic about accuracy like Alonso - that he forgot to attach the correct screenshots (or video) to set the record straight and provide the reader the full accurate information. 🤔 Surely just absent mindedness. Don't worry, Alonso. I've got you covered! Here: bbc.co.uk/news/articles/…
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Hen Mazzig@HenMazzig·
At a Pride parade in Bologna, Italy, Israelis and Iranians who had been marching together were assaulted by Free Palestine activists who demanded they take off their shirts which featured a Star of David. The Italian-Iranian organization "Woman, Life Freedom," condemned the attack, saying that Israelis and Iranians were marching together for a just cause.
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Efrat Rayten אפרת רייטן
@hanochmilwidsky חלחלה צודק: 2000 נרצחים ונופלים, 250 חטופים, חבלי ארץ נטושים, חוקי השתמטות בזמן מלחמה, תקציבים מופקרים ואובדן משילות וריבונות. חמאס בשלטון, חיזבללה לא פורק מנשקו, המשטר האיום באיראן לא נפל ותוכנית הגרעין לא חוסלה. ואחד דונלד טרמפ שאמר: נתניהו יעשה מה שאני אגיד לו.
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So true, @Alonso_GD! This is very clearly just another case of a totally honest violent criminal bravely sharing (with the court deciding his fate) the incredible truthful story about the innocuous explanation for each of the several people he attacked in the span of a few minutes (and in the course of the host of other violent criminal acts he's been committing that night), all out of good intentions in a very unlucky coincidence stemming from a series of unfortunate misunderstandings. Why would the court reject such perfectly reasonable explanations? How could they not believe this outstanding young man who accidentally and through no fault of his own just found himself caught up in this terrible situation? When did we become so cynical? So untrusting? 😢
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Alonso Gurmendi@Alonso_GD·
@EylonALevy No, her spine was not fractured *like that*. It was fractured as Sam Corner tried to free his friend from what he thought was one of the security guards that had already used sledgehammers against them. You are trying to depict him in a different light and you know it
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@Alonso_GD is simply stating a fact, you know. No agenda. He's known for being a staunch advocate for factual accuracy above all else! 🫠
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Did anyone claim it was a Hatzola ambulance, @Alonso_GD? 🤔 Or is it just you trying to mislead people as usual? I doubt a forensic expert like yourself who managed to locate and circle the NHS emblem on the ambulance would miss all those paramedics in the video being Hatzola. Do you think maybe there's a chance this could be one of the ambulances Hatzola has on loan from the NHS to temporarily replace the 4 out of 5 ambulances in their fleet that were burned down in last month's arson attack? Ah, forget it... I'm sure someone so committed to accuracy and fact-checking like yourself looked into this before insinuating it wasn't Hatzola that gave initial treatment to the attacker on the scene. This is totally just about factual accuracy!

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Daniel Sugarman@Daniel_Sugarman·
A number of far left politicians, commentators & other useful idiots seem to have a very hard time understanding that fracturing a policewoman’s spine with a sledgehammer isn’t magically transformed into some beautiful act of protest because it was done for the Palestinian cause.
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This scum is a "Fellow in Human Rights". Its always the people that claim to be most kind that are the most evil. The image he's referring to IS a still from police bodycam of the officer about to be struck with the sledgehammer.
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This image shows Sam Corner knocking off an umbrella from a security guard’s hands. It does not show any policewomen or spine smashing. As always, Eylon is not misinformed, he’s misinforming.

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@danielthemate @Alonso_GD @EylonALevy Well... there's was also another policeman he hit and two more guards he has swung the sledgehammer at, if we want to be extra factual. Surely Alonso just ran out of characters or something...
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@GymRobcom @GraemeFrew5 @RespectIsVital Maybe you can't find it because you're looking at a post from a propaganda account and not at the actual verdict for example. 🤷
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Alex Tiffin@RespectIsVital·
You can vehemently disagree with Palestine Action activists goals, whilst simultaneously be horrified a judge can decide AFTER a conviction if it was terrorism related amd double a sentence. Being able to class an offense as terrorism AFTER conviction without charging them with terrorism should bother everyone. Any protest action that is now determined as trying to "change government policy" can have this applied. So today it's Palestine Action, but next it'll be immigration protests, farmers protests, NHS, tax etc etc.
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Hen Mazzig@HenMazzig·
This Shabbat, as the streets in Tel Aviv are bright with all the colors of the rainbow, remember to be proud of who you are. Be proud of the kindness you've shown, of the work you toiled over. Be proud of bonds you've made and the people you hold near. Be proud of who you are, especially when people are telling you that you shouldn't be.
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Jonathan Elkhoury- جوناثان الخوري
From Tel Aviv 🇮🇱 to Beirut 🇱🇧, our rainbow is stronger than fear, louder than hate, and bigger than any border. As an Israeli-Lebanese gay man, I carry two homes in my heart: Lebanon and Israel. Today I walked alongside @Noatishby at Tel Aviv pride holding the Lebanese flag and Israeli flag with a clear message From Tel Aviv to Beirut: Our rainbow stretches across the Mediterranean, serving as a bridge between our two peoples. We are people. We are families, citizens, dreamers, and builders of peace. As Lebanon and Israel engage in peace talks, I believe that only peace can protect the diversity of our region and allow all its people to live, love, be safe, and prosper. And yes, WE WANT PEACE! Not as a slogan.
Not as a dream.
But as a future we build together. Happy Pride, Tel Aviv. 🌈
Happy Pride, Beirut. 🌈
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