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@ArdentSpeakr @TheCartoonLoon Red would snuff out every one of the bravest, the most selfless, the kindest, the most empathetic. The human soul dies with the blues if they lose, what would remain would not be worth dignifying with the term 'human'

Humanity literally survives if red has >50% You can't stop people from killing themselves or gambling with their life, you are free to choose. Yes humanity needs risk takers to strive but when humanity is on the line red pushers are ensuring our survival. New risk takers will emerge.

No it isnt The moral dilemma is Is it better to vote red because you think blue cant win so its better to vote red to assure you live and potentially pick up the pieces of a broken world Or is it better to risk your life to attempt to save those kids

@ArdentSpeakr @TheCartoonLoon The *species* survives in both outcomes. Humanity only survives if blues triumph.

@TheCartoonLoon People who vote red are ensuring the survival of humanity. People who vote blue are gambling

@corsaren Absolutely disagree. Once people know for sure that a huge number of people WILL DEFINITELY be pressing blue, it fundamentally changes the dynamic and genuinely makes pushing red the genocide button. Reds will bitch and moan about how retarded blues are, but they'll press blue.

Some interesting results. The big takeaway imo is that despite all the moral/game theory preaching about an OBVIOUSLY right answer, a plurality of voters are sensitive to expected outcomes. You vote blue/red because you think most people will vote blue/red. A few notes/caveats:

Roughly it's like this right? Red button: "I don't think blue would come close to 50% in the real world" (So I can't safely press it) Blue button: "I feel confident in my fellow human to do the right thing and blue will win" (so it's safe to press blue)

Okay, I've gone round-and-round on this, and I'm still a Red-button voter, and here's why. The situation is this: you are suddenly in a booth, with the buttons in front of you. You know all 8.3 billion people on earth are voting. You know at least some will vote each way, including children and mental incompetents for whom it's basically a toss-up. You have no idea what the outcome will be. All you can do is make a prediction based on what you know of human nature. My prediction, based on what little I know of human nature, is a majority-Red vote. This is because most ordinary people, faced with the dilemma, will see it simply as A - I will definitely live or B - 50/50 chance I die. The kind of complex moral calculation you have to make to see the argument behind a Blue vote is simply not going to occur to or persuade the *majority* of *ordinary* people, globally. Now, if I am *right* about human nature, then a Blue vote, for me, is simply suicide. I die, I save nobody, and whoever of my family is left alive have to face the new world without me. But if I am *wrong* about human nature, then the Blue vote gets the majority, and nobody dies, including me. So for me, in that moment, behind that veil of ignorance, knowing that my ONE vote will NOT be the deciding one among countless millions, the ONLY sensible choice - is Red.

i think it’s entertaining how blue button pushers imagine themselves as heroic and making a sacrifice nobody needs to press the blue button, nobody needs you to come to their rescue and save them, you cant even save yourself we can all just push the red button and survive

The Red/Blue button topic is interesting if only to see that people think there's a 'right' answer when it's more of a philosophical question that meant to out you for what type of person you are, be that empathetic, mistrusting, analytical, self-preserving, logical or morale.

@GillieAmanita Best good faith summation I've seen

I'm a blue-presser HOWEVER I talked to a red-presser and it's not necessarily a selfish or antisocial choice. In that red's mind, blue is guaranteed to lose, because when your life is on the line, they believe more people will press red than was represented in an online poll. 1/

@AuraHaver @Ticker90909 The bravest and most selfless will risk their lives. Will you let them do so alone?

@Ticker90909 I completely understand that, but you’re telling me I should risk my life just to account for the fact others are stupid enough to risk theirs? No chance 😭😭😭

am I going mental why would anyone ever choose blue there is absolutely zero incentive

It is actually disturbing how dumb the average person is Red gives you a 100% chance of living, you literally get nothing beneficial out of choosing blue

@cinecrophilia Such a simple fix

Saying that Kai Winn is more evil than a rapist genocider is actually insane, I hate the middle aged man side of the Star Trek fandom so much 😭😭😭😭😭😭

@workflowsauce Best summation I've seen

> Pressing blue is the only way people die This is “if everyone will just” The majority of red arguments reduce to this Blue accepts that everyone will not just

@NornQueenKya Petitioning Cawl to make Primaris 2.0 just really tiny dudes so I can play Kill Team on a napkin

Every game feels like this for me because I cant reach beyond my deployment zone half the time We need a movement to make game tables shorter ;.;

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Blue pretty much always wins these polls, why is it always framed as “they died”

@InterspeciesFa1 @klaptenning @ArizonaLoft @wfenza You have all the understanding of humanity of someone who has only experienced it through a screen. I truly pity you.

@klaptenning @ArizonaLoft @AccountPro1723 @wfenza They aren't seeing anything I'm not. And the idiots aren't most people, but a little under half, which is what you'd expect from the normal distribution range. Blue consists of idiots, the suicidally irrational, and a few clever people who realize that there are enough idiots.

Whitepill: in real life, we almost always coordinate so everyone pushes red. Multiple times per day, we're all face with an opportunities to put our lives at risk in situations where, if enough people joined us, we'd be saved. I could go start waving a gun around my local police station. If I'm alone, I get shot. If 1,000 people join me, we'll all probably be allowed to leave without any shots fired. I could go jump on a bonfire. If enough other people do it, we'll smother the fire, but if I'm alone, I burn to death. There are hundreds of situations like this. And for the most part, nobody pushes blue! Nobody puts themselves at risk, counting on others to save them. In nearly every real-life situation that matches the hypothetical (lots of people putting themselves at risk has the same outcome as nobody putting themselves at risk), everyone tacitly understands that not putting yourself at risk is the correct option. This applies even to babies and the infirm, who generally have people watching them to make sure they're not hurting themselves. This is why the question is so divisive. It's a fantastical, contrived situation that we would never encounter irl. All of our real-world experience tells us that, of course, you just don't put yourself at risk and nobody else will either. But it's a strange enough situation that we can't actually count on everyone coordinating on red. So the blue voters are right that the only way to save everyone in this specific, outside-the-Overton-window situation is to coordinate on blue. But the whitepill is that in almost every real-life situation, we *are* able to successfully coordinate on 100% red. It's by far the default outcome.

@YosarianTwo So it goes

Me: This blue button/ red button thing really seems to trigger unhealthy tribal instincts Twitter: Let's make memes about it indistinguishable from partisan political memes Sigh

@shadydoorags 'if I explain the premise badly, I may be able to trick people into responding differently' Genius!

"If you push the red button, you live. If you push the blue button, you might die if not enough people push the blue button." How many people would push the blue button if the scenario was worded this way? Diction is everything.

@breakingbaht Blue people genuine are psychologically Christian. Even if they are an atheist. Every behavioral element of a Christian is there, including their ability to metabolism the body of Christ into divine action

Blue people genuinely are psychologically leftist. Even if they are right wing. Every behavioral element or a leftist is there, including their ability to metabolize your refusal of their demand for you to risk death as an attack on them (typically as a justification for force you later).

@shitcoin_maxxi @RyuouKaen @untimelysalts Do you think it is possible that 'the site that loves to show you fucked up shit and only fucked up shit' is possibly only showing you fucked up shit?

Yes china and India The high trust society's That's why there isn't countless videos in India where the person is drowning and people 2 feet over won't help even if it's knee deep Or why china literally has a law that prevents helping and there's countless videos of pedestrians who get run over and traffic keeps going and running em over few more times

The thought experiment is that the *entire human race* has to vote. Is the whole world a “high trust society”? No.