Michael

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Bill C-9 is going to pass in Canada. The Bible is already functionally illegal in this country. Passing this bill will just make it easier for the government to persecute believers. So for old times same here's Leviticus 18:22.

@NotesForTheFree @Cernovich Gotcha. So yes I am sorry that happened to you. Total Depravity of mankind is certainly a Biblical concept that is true to reality. Just remember, you are a member of the human race too (which means you are totally depraved as well...and me too).

@BroMichael87 @Cernovich It was abuse and trauma and lies and everything else and like I said it showed me exactly, what I needed to see about religion - and human nature. Exactly.

I regularly say Mormons are facing the same attacks and have the same weaknesses of modern Christians. Yet you show up to “scold me,” and while doing do, lie. Proving my original point. If you’re flying a Christian flag, then behave better than a secular Reddit reply guy.

@NotesForTheFree @Cernovich Also how do you judge which is good and which is not in the Bible? By what basis do you make that judgement?

@BroMichael87 @Cernovich I’m not sorry about it. It showed me exactly what I needed to see. I know scripture better than most, the way is narrow and few there be that find it. It has utility, and logic, beauty and also a bunch of bullshit. Just like humanity.

@dtsidd @UtahSandersTwo @Cernovich So is Biblically Historical Christianity and Mormonism the same or not? The belief of who God is vastly different between both religions. Logically the beliefs are incoherent. Muslims believe in Jesus too. Are they Christians as well?

@BroMichael87 @UtahSandersTwo @Cernovich But they are both stock. They are both tech. They are both American. You don’t have to be the same to share something in common. Both Mormons and Creedal Christians believe in Christ of the New Testament and are Christian.

Every Mormon I know considers themself Christian. TBH I find these debates boring.

@NotesForTheFree @Cernovich You said who cares. I told you who. Do with that as you will. If you don't care then don't. But know that if the God of the Bible is real He does. And if He is real and cares you might want to think about that. But you do you James. Btw sorry about your religious upbringing.

@BroMichael87 @Cernovich And yet, I still do not. None of my business.

@UtahSandersTwo @Cernovich If you had knowledge of Historically Bible believing Christian doctrine and LDS Church doctrine, you would realize that it is not logical and intellectually dishonest to say that they are both Christian. It's like saying that Apple stock and Google stock are the same.

@Cernovich I’m Mormon. I consider Christ my savior. I find these debates boring too.

@Cernovich I'm a Bible Believing Christian who knows a ton about LDS doctrine and beliefs. Quite frankly I do not understand how anyone who has knowledge of both sets of doctrines can logically conclude that they are both Christian. Yet, here we are. An issue because the LDS makes it one.

@NotesForTheFree @Cernovich Who cares you ask? If the God of the Bible (who is not the God of Mormonism) is real I'm pretty sure He cares.

@Cernovich I grew up in a mennonite-ish cult and every Mormon I have ever known embodies the teachings of Christ more than almost every professed Christian I have known in my life. Yes they have an addendum to the Bible. Yes it's pretty out there in its claims. Who cares?

@Tyler_King40 @billroach_ @BasedMikeLee Also for the record do you or do you not believe that God was once a man who lived on another planet?

@BroMichael87 @billroach_ @BasedMikeLee You’ve said a lot without proving anything. Have your read the KFD and do you understand its history and context?

Waking up to a flood of angry Mormon replies is certainly one way to start the day. A few observations in response to @BasedMikeLee. First, the most common response is: "You just don't know enough about Mormonism." That argument doesn't carry much weight with me. I grew up about 25 minutes from Nauvoo, Illinois. Mormon history isn't some distant academic subject where I'm from. It's woven into the landscape of Illinois, Missouri, and Iowa. I've visited many of the historical sites connected to Joseph Smith and the early Latter-day Saints. Throughout the region, there are markers, museums, and historical accounts documenting the conflicts that followed Mormon settlements. In Missouri, tensions escalated into violence, property disputes, political conflicts, and allegations of criminal activity. In Illinois, Joseph Smith's practice of polygamy (as well as the Mormon practices of polygamy), his accumulation of political and military power, and the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor press contributed to the controversies that ultimately led to his arrest and death in Carthage. Across the tri-state region, Mormon history is remembered not merely as a story of persecution, but also as a story of serious controversy surrounding Smith and the movement he founded. Second, Mormonism differs from biblical Christianity at virtually every major doctrinal point. Historically, orthodox Christians have regarded Mormonism as a religious cult that emerged from Christianity while redefining its essential doctrines. Consider just a few examples: • Mormonism teaches that God the Father was once a man who progressed to godhood. Biblical Christianity teaches that God is eternally God and has never been anything else. • Mormonism teaches that human beings may eventually become gods. Biblical Christianity teaches that redeemed believers are glorified creatures, not future deities. • Mormonism rejects the historic doctrine of the Trinity and teaches separate divine beings united in purpose. Biblical Christianity teaches one God in three coequal and coeternal Persons. Mormonism may be the most polytheistic religion in the world. • Mormonism teaches that Jesus is the first spirit child of Heavenly Father. Biblical Christianity teaches that Jesus is the eternal Son of God, uncreated, fully God and fully man. • Mormonism teaches the preexistence of human souls. Biblical Christianity does not. • Mormonism teaches continuing revelation through modern prophets. Biblical Christianity recognizes Scripture as the final written authority. • Mormonism recognizes the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price as authoritative scripture. Biblical Christianity recognizes the Bible alone as God-breathed Scripture. • Mormonism teaches a system of exaltation tied to ordinances, temple rites, and covenant faithfulness. Biblical Christianity teaches justification by grace alone through faith alone because of Christ alone. • Mormonism teaches that Christianity fell into a Great Apostasy and required restoration through Joseph Smith. Biblical Christianity teaches that Christ preserved His church as He promised. The irony is that Mormonism's own foundational narrative claims historic Christianity became corrupt and disappeared from the earth until Joseph Smith restored the truth. If that is true, then Mormonism is not historic Christianity restored. It is a new religious system built upon the claim that Christianity failed. The conclusion remains unchanged: Mormonism is not biblical Christianity.

@Tyler_King40 @billroach_ @BasedMikeLee I've given you proof that I do indeed understand basic LDS doctrines yet you choose to not believe that I do. Is the KFD another canonical book for the LDS Church? Haven't heard of it. Do you understand the core doctrines of Bible believing Christians or do you even care?

@Tyler_King40 @billroach_ @BasedMikeLee Point being, yes I do have an understanding of the message/basic doctrines of the LDS Church. I certainly know enough to say that if the LDS Church is Christian then all other professing Christians are not Christian. Do you know the religious narrative of Biblical Christianity?

@Tyler_King40 @billroach_ @BasedMikeLee who I have had conversations with through the years. This friend gifted me with a copy of the JST translation of the Bible. I have BOM/D&C/PofGP combo book. I have an LDS hymn book. (Though admittedly they may be at my sister's house currently.)

@Tyler_King40 @billroach_ @BasedMikeLee Just because a "living prophet" teaches something about God and doctrine, doesn't mean it's true? Interesting. I think Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says otherwise.

@Tyler_King40 @billroach_ @BasedMikeLee So you're admitting that Lorenzo Snow and Joseph Smith were wrong regarding the Doctrine of God?

@BroMichael87 @billroach_ @BasedMikeLee I don't think you understand our faith. Have you done any real research, or have you just watched the Godmakers?

@Tyler_King40 @billroach_ @BasedMikeLee This doctrine is considered blasphemy among Bible believing Christians. Hence Mormons/LDS are not Christians (assuming they believe in the doctrines of the LDS Church).

@Tyler_King40 @billroach_ @BasedMikeLee If you want to know where it says that you should look at the part that says: "“As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be.” If you say that God was still God even when he was a man then logically you must say that you are a God while you are still a man.

@Tyler_King40 @billroach_ @BasedMikeLee Huh? When God was a man like me (per LDS Doctrine. Not Biblically Historical Christian Doctrine.) LDS doctrine teaches that God was once a man who lived on another planet who had a God/Heavenly Father above Him. Through His works and efforts he ascended to a level of godhood.