Ansel ☭ Left Opposition

The sum of all actions by people in day to day life can be accurately described in such a brief sentence that it sits in my mind daily: The desire to be free.

@skibidibanban It is neither

@skibidibanban What is BWC? Is this an organizational term or from economic theory?

no more BWC posts

@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik I've wasted too much of my time, I forgot, there's a reason why no Bordigists have genuinely made any impact in the Communist movement, they're sectarian and backwards.

@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik You stated that you could not quote bordiga because it would betray his beliefs

Stop hating on Bordiga and the Italian Left simply because Twitter users claiming lineage to the tradition of the Italian Left are being problematic

@eusoueupriv If someone cut my balls off and fed them to me I still wouldn't post this

I should let the 3 of them be happy, i was the one who was outside anyways

@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner You can slander me but you have yet to articulate any response in defense of Bordiga only vague responses and quotes with no context. Perhaps you should try reading Lenin and Marx more than you worship failed dogma.

@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner i dont think i can be the one said to lack any knowledge. you are speaking on something you havent read even the slightest bit on. its evident from what you've said so far. but then i must ask you, what is your "genuine idea" for the economic apparatus of a communist society?

You simply lack any sort of knowledge of the person you claim to follow, you can make excuses but to simply put it: Bordiga is the Proudhon of for the youth of this era. He's popular, a counter-culture to counter-culture, but the adherents have no genuine idea on how to form an economic apparatus to achieve a post-scarcity society.

@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner if you want to learn about bordiga, you have to read bordiga and those who followed him. otherwise anything you say about him will be based in ignorance. if that is the kind of person you are, i dont think any fruit can be derived from this discussion

@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner Trotsky argued against popular fronts not united fronts, Bordiga argues against both.

@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner is it not trotsky who denounced stalin's popular frontism in the 1930s? since when has it been debatable among the non-stalinists that the proletariat cannot organise with the bourgeoisie?

@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner Do you believe that all communists should be absent from the discussions of economic systems?

@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner these are practical, not theoretical, questions. they can only be answered with practical activity, and bordiga did write on that in 1919, at the height of the bienna rossa, in the text i linked.

@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner This is pathetic, quote Bordiga, find a structure of text from him, but he's lacking in all these fields.

@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner struggle. the workers struggle is not static; it constantly changing, hence any text on the matter must take this into account. if i provided one quote, it would be to quote bordiga only on a specific period in the workers struggle, which would not do him justice

@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner And how did that work out? We have to be pragmatic here.

@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner ... both with armed workers and by cooperating with social democratic union workers. what he objected to was the popular frontism of stalin and cooperating with social democratic leaders (united frontism from above)

@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner How is that to be achieved? Do you think that getting to this management is simply done? You need a transitional phase, you need economic incentives and produce institutions that operate parallel to commodity production to make it obsolete

@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner plus, he is quite clear as to what the alternative to co-operatives are: management of all production by the proletarian dictatorship

@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner Can you quote him on how a party should act?

@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner 1. when bordiga spoke about how a party should act, he never once claimed that the party should act separate from the proletariat, and id be happy to see some proof of him saying anything approximating that. 2. bordiga in the PCdI did struggle against fascists ...

Other Tendencies have gained major footholds with the proletariat, to pretend like this isn't happening is purposely closing your eyes. The issue isn't that these tendencies are somehow working against the worker, it's that they have no coherent goal, which has been a consistent issue with all parties, is that they lack an economic structure.

@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner and i think he has been vindicated in this respect, because after 80 years of trotskyist, stalinist, and other tendencies' agitation, the workers movement is right where it was before. the entry of the ICP into the scene would not have changed anything

When I refer to Bordiga's party i'm referring to specifically how he believed a party should act. I do not consider the Communist party of italy to be Bordiga's party, as he was not really a main player after it dwindled, which I would say his push to not participate in fights against the fascist government was incredibly counter productive.

@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner if youre referring to the PCd'I, when he was its leader, his party engaged extensively in the struggle of workers against both the bourgeois state and fascists

Bordiga believes that co-ops contain a petty bourgeois class character, which he would be right to do so, but he then has no solution to this other than to simply not push for co-ops within a transitionary period, this is a common occurrence, there are issues, and then Bordiga lacks any semblance of a solution. Bordiga is not a state maker, Bordiga is a theoretician, he exists for ideas to be drawn from, but beyond that he offers no real foundations.

@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner i dont even know what you mean by "form of political transitionary period" if you dont believe bordiga has one

I am to prove what? I didn't claim that Bordiga is the link affirming the proletariat and the party, I claimed his party is sectarian, acts isolating from the proletariat. I gave a reason why, this reason holds firm, this is a foundation of Bordiga's beliefs that the party should not participate in worker's struggle.

@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner you began by claiming that bordiga's conception of the party is one where the party acts separate from the proletariat, so the burden of proof lies on you

Engels Dialectics of Nature Pedagogy of the Oppressed Reform or Revolution Trotsky- Problems of Daily Life Women and The Family Literature and Revolution Art and Revolution The Transitional Program Marx- Capital all volumes The German Ideology Critique of the Gotha Program Grundrisse Wage Labor and Capital Value, Price, and Profit

Followers who can’t read… i need more leftist theory to read, give me suggestions.

@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner This is just affirming that Bordiga is correct without any actual reason why you believe him to be correct on the "ink between the action of the party and the proletariat"

@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner no one has affirmed the link between the action of the party and the proletariat more than bordiga and his party. this is central to his theory of the party and how he (even if he does not realise this) deviates from lenin.

@loserslabb @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner Can you quote him on this?

@Comrade_Ansel @Jacquieshevik @brightredbanner have you read bordiga if you think he has no form of political transitionary period?