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Capy
@Funky_Capybara
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Israel เข้าร่วม Mayıs 2017
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@Funky_Capybara LMAO the fact that even many Israeli liberals suffer from political delusions of this magnitude is the best argument that we're indigenous to the middle east.
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The funny thing is we have one of the world’s most LGBT friendly population and big govt is so prevalent here that Netanyahu literally campaigned on free kindergarten under 3.
This literally just reflects the question “what is your opinion about the conflict”
Michael Tracey@mtracey
78% of Israelis age 18-22 consider themselves right-wing or center-right. 8% consider themselves left-wing or center-left
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@davidk368430332 @maverick_oi @ahhhh112358 Democratim will get 14+ seats inshallah, add eizenkot and Lapid and you’ve got over half of the seats that support a 2SS.
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@Funky_Capybara @maverick_oi @ahhhh112358 It's actually a 5th to a 6th, sometimes lower, according to most polls and a quarter of the change bloc would still be only an 8th of all seats.
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This analysis is completely lopsided, Israelis have been 50 shades of right wing for at least half a decade.
Even in 2015, Labour changed its name & claim to be a centre party to remove associations with leftism.
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Not a Good Jewish Girl✡️@estherzelda0514
Yeah, well, the massive resurgence of global antisemitism will do that. Israel has weathered terrorism for a long time. But now, Israelis see the mob that waited outside of Eden Golan's hotel in Sweden because she dared to survive October 7 and participate in Eurovision. They see the posters in the windows of tiny cafes in Tokyo that inform them the owner will not serve Israelis. They are harassed in elite classes they paid to attend by Ivy League professors. They saw the people that hunted for Israelis outside an airport in Russia. Under such circumstances, what kind of fool has any faith in the international world order? When has the world turning against one nationality ever ended in anything other than that country deciding that militant nationalism is the only way to ensure the survival of its people? Well, perhaps the world ought to ask itself if this is the result it wanted. Because it certainly is behaving like it is.
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@davidk368430332 Once they are mandated to go to the army they’ll deflect in higher and higher rates. The current deflection rates are with roughly 0 exposure to the lives of secular Israel
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@Funky_Capybara Nope, they're still growing pretty quickly in spite of the high defection rates.
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@davidk368430332 It would be an accurate reflection of the parts of society that serve in the army, work and pay taxes, and in general take part in keeping the lights on.
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@Funky_Capybara Haredi Jews are a part of your society and a fairly large one at that, to only poll non-Haredi Jews would not be an accurate reflection of the opinions of society as a whole
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@davidk368430332 @maverick_oi @ahhhh112358 And a quarter are going to the guy who suggested that the IDF disengages from the WB and leaves the settlers behind
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@Funky_Capybara @maverick_oi @ahhhh112358 40% of the seats in the change block are going to the guy who's 2012 plan on "Solving" the conflict would have legally enshrined Israel as being an apartheid state.
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@davidk368430332 In a decade they’ll still be 12% because of people leaving their faith.
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@Funky_Capybara "If you exclude Ultra orthodox and Arabs" Haredim are 13% of your population and make up over a third of new births, you can't just exclude them like they don't exist.
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@Funky_Capybara The most recent polls taken on this have shown 52% and 36% percent support for same sex marriage. 52 and 36 are smaller numbers than 60.
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@davidk368430332 @maverick_oi @ahhhh112358 I mean, no? The change bloc is composed of the exact same people it was in 2021, minus Saar and Gantz.
It will certainly be to the left of the 2022 and 2020 govts.
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@Funky_Capybara @maverick_oi @ahhhh112358 I mean, no? The government that would form if the opposition wins would still almost certainly be on aggregate more right wing than pretty much any results since 2015.
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@maverick_oi @ahhhh112358 Even counting Bennet the change bloc is the leftest it’s been since 2019. Check
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@Funky_Capybara @ahhhh112358 I don't think Bennet should be counted as Left and he polls decently now (but may be weaker in the future).
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@davidk368430332 @Funky_Capybara 10 I recall, but I think he'll end up with 6 at the end...
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@davidk368430332 You do realise that 60% or even breaking even is among the most favourable in the world, right?
If you exclude Ultra orthodox and Arabs, over 80% of secular and traditional Jews (the “core” of Israeli society) support LGBTQ, easily.
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@Funky_Capybara In addition polls taken in the 2020s in Israel appear to show some backsliding on this (like every social issue there, really)
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@maverick_oi @ahhhh112358 Anti bibists are at the most left wing position since 2019 & the formation of B&W
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@Funky_Capybara @ahhhh112358 Right as in 'Bibists'? If you include anti-Bibists, that statement is rather debatable.
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@maverick_oi This is only incendiary if you don’t read what he said. The opinion he portrayed here was Likud policy for a decade, he just follows it through and doesn’t stop at the first point it’s convenient
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@Funky_Capybara Labor united with Meretz, a certain MK was an ex Balad spokesman, Golan has an entire closet full of incendiary statements...
srugim.co.il/699194-%D7%99%…
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@davidk368430332 Europe and the anglosphere are also some of the world’s most LGBT friendly populations.
timesofisrael.com/poll-70-of-isr…
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@Funky_Capybara The idea that Israel is "one of the world’s most LGBT friendly population(s)" as compared to Western Europe and the Anglosphere States is not backed up by data.
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@koala_karmic @ahhhh112358 Tracing *Israel’s rightwards march* to *[global] antisemitism*.
Even this way the sentence is poorly written though. Cons of tweeting w/o proofreading lol
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@Funky_Capybara @ahhhh112358 Israel’s rightward match towards…hating Jews?
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@ahhhh112358 You can easily make that case, which is why I said at least half a decade. Tracing Israel’s rightwards march to antisemitism is even funnier given that in polls the right is getting *less* seats than 2022.
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@CoIddough Labour undoubtedly attempted to campaign as a centre party in that election.
Labour’s PMs didn’t support splitting Jerusalem, but iirc Yechimowitz, mitzna, and Peretz did.
This even proves my point that he attempted to disconnect from the left to return as a ruling party
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@Funky_Capybara Olmert isn't a left-winger and Herzog isn't Meretznik, as a Labor leader he pretty much kept the traditional position and didn't break away from anything
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@CoIddough Olmert did too, but every Meretz leader supported splitting Jerusalem
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@Funky_Capybara Except Barak i don't know a single left-wing leader that said he'll give anything from Jerusalem. not even Peres
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